The 7 Biggest Lies Uttered At The Arizona Republican Debate

Will the Tea Party Republicans EVER stop lying?

NO... it's all they have, the "party" has become so corrupted and perverted that's the only leg left to stand on... as well if they ran on their true ideology.. hardly no one would ever vote for them..

And the crowd "cheered".....

if they ran on their true ideology.. hardly no one would ever vote for them

Exactly!

The majority of the support already comes from people voting against their own best interests because they're so hateful/fearful of minorities, gays or women.

Without feeding them lies and red meat, they wouldn't be able to stoke those fires at all.

In the end, sanity and reason should win out and the Republicans will be left with nothing but more obstructionism and personal attacks on the President.

Obama has been such a good president that they have nothing to attack him with but lies.

Well he has many faults, but nearly all the things you can complain about are left wing ideals and the GOP isnt going to run on liberal ideals.

I wish during the debates that everything the candidates say was automatically sent to fact check sights and every time an untruth was told a big horn would go off! I do not think there would many debates if that was done.

Pew found that President Obama has gotten the most negative coverage of any of the 2012 presidential candidates

So much for the liberal bias of the media.

What would surprise me is if a single truth was actually stated by any nominee at a Republican debate. It's becoming evident to me that lies are the only thing coming from the Republicans.

There was only 7?

Well I'm even shocked there there were only 7 "biggest" lies.

Lola, in any pool of turds, there will be some that are bigger, and some that are smaller.

Law of averages.

I keep wondering if the normal Republicans are just not going to these GOP events because the candidates will fixate on topics like birth control incessantly while ignoring jobs and the economy. I think the Republican Party has become IRRELEVANT to most Americans. And most of the time their favorite obsession issue is something like condoms, a personal choice for Americans, and ultra fundamentalist Christians want to dictate how to live for all Americans.

OK everyone. This discussion looks like the last few discussions about Republicans. A PILE ON, as they used to say when I was a kid playing neighborhood football games. Its not as if the Republicans are like the kid that owns the football and can leave in a snit and take his football with him. A LARGE MAJORITY OF VOTERS - US - NEED TO SHOW UP AT THE BALLOT BOX AND HAND THE REPUBLICANS THEIR WORSE DEFEAT EVER. Republicans desperately need a loud and clear backlash before they will ever consider changing directions.

That didn't happen in 2012 when the voter turn out was only 37 to 41 percent of all eligible voters. That meant Teapublicans could win with only 19 to 21 percent of all eligible voters.

Well I'm even shocked there there were only 7 "biggest" lies.

Otherwise, they'd just print the entire transcript of the "debate" (I hesitate to call a group of mentally unstable clones sucking each other off a "debate"), since pretty much everything said - aside from their names and states of origin was a huge pile of bull@!$%#.

Please show facts and ref. for the Obamacare .

They really don't care about lying. With immediate access to information these days, as long as something gets out to the public, right or wrong, its out there for good. Unfortunately, they know this and use it to their advantage.

Exactly mike, the republicans are using the Nazi agitprop tool of the Big Lie, as promoted by Hitler in Mein Kampf, vol 1, chap X -

All this was inspired by the principle--which is quite true within itself--that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying.

Like creepy Japanese life like robots, Romney occupies Uncanny Valley.

What's the teapublicon word smith's name, ummm, Lunks or something like that?

Well, between him and Norquist, teapublicons spin big lies because big lies resonate. Period. That's how Kerry was swiftboated and McCain had a black child out of wedlock.

The thing that pisses me is that dems wait too long to push back against the big lies. Waiting too long is how 'death panels' got traction. Just because the truth is on your side does not mean you should ignore lies.

Zoolopolis, that's a good one, uncanny valley.

And for those who don't know what that is, here's link explaining it-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley

Romney and Santorum fit this to a "t".

Please show facts and ref. for the Obamacare .

Is your Google broken where you are?

CBO Pub. 24998

1). Lie: Rick Santorum claims Obamacare adds to the deficit.

In regards to the total budgetary impact of enacting the reconciliation proposal (the amendment to H.R. 4872), the Senate-passed health bill (H.R. 3590), and the Medicare Physicians Payment Reform Act of 2009 (H.R. 3961). CBO estimates that enacting all three pieces of legislation would add $59 billion to budget deficits over the 2010–2019 period.

Removing the unrealistic annual Medicare savings ($463 billion) and the stolen annual revenues from Social Security and long-term care insurance ($123 billion), and adding in the annual spending that so far is not accounted for ($114 billion) quickly generates additional deficits of $562 billion in the first 10 years. And the nation would be on the hook for two more entitlement programs rapidly expanding as far as the eye can see.

2). Lie: Mitt Romney claims government employees earn more than private sector workers.

This is simply not true when you consider retirement and healthcare benefits.

The latest data from BLS showed 20 percent of workers in the private sector have pension plans. In the public sector, defined benefit plan coverage is four times greater — about 79 percent.

In retail firms, for example, only 48 percent of workers were covered by health benefits offered by their firm (the worst industry for insurance coverage), compared to 80 percent of workers in state and local government (the best industry for insurance coverage). And those state/local government employees are paying less for coverage than their private sector neighbors.

3). Lie: Mitt Romney Says He Will Ban Earmarks.

Only Congress can "ban" earmarks. However, Romney certainly can VETO any bill that has earmarks. This is basically a Presidential ban and would be difficult to overturn if Congress is split between the two parties.

4). Lie: Newt Gingrich, "Obama voted for infanticide."

Babies were inconveniently being born alive, self-styled health-care providers carted them off to utility rooms where they would be left to die. That is infanticide, plain and simple. In Illinois, people tried to stop this barbarism by supporting "born alive" legislation. Barack Obama fought them all the way.

5). Lie: Mitt Romney denies ever mandating contraception in religious hospitals in 2005

Yes, Romney flip-flopped on this issue.

6). Lie: Mitt Romney Claims Obama Is Shrinking The Military

The statement Romney stated is true. Obama (the commander and chief of the military) is shrinking the military. Sure, it is due to the wars tooling down, but the statement is correct.

7). Lie: Rick Santorum, "Obama will have the national media behind him."

This also is true. However, I am very pleased to see the media being critical of Obama as the study indicates. He earned all of it due to his inability to lead.

7). Lie: Rick Santorum, “Obama will have the national media behind him.”

Rick Santorum will have Faux Snooze behind him...

Santorum: "just because I bring up the topic of my opposition to women's reproductive rights (constantly), doesn't mean I'd do anything about it if elected president". Isn't this supposed to be a presidential debate where the candidates outline their priorities and plan for the country?

DUDE,

Nice post :) Unfortunately here at Snoozevine, they only want to praise Obama and bash republicans. They don't want to here anything that proves their own lies wrong. It's become nothing but a meeting of like minds around here. Most comments that disagree get collapsed by the tolerent left community.

When Bush was president and gas prices where 3.50 and above, oh my God it was ALL Bush's fault, his policies that drove up prices of feul...but now? *crickets*. Gas was 1.86 when Obama took office. I specifically remember Pelosi slamming Bush and the Pubs for high gas prices....where is she now??

When Bush was sworn in his first term oil was $34 per barrel, by the end of his rein of terror, oil was 4 times that much per barrel. Check oil commodity price to see what the American Prince of Oil did.

Actually, whenever gas prices have gone up the sitting President always gets the blame. The opposing party sees it as a opportunity to attack. It happened with Carter, Bush and now Obama.

Then there are those of us who know the reasons the prices fluctuate, and also realize that there is very little anyone in Washington can do about it. Supply, world demand, speculation and outright corporate greed each play a part. No President has a magic wand to save the day, and blaming a President is always a political point made to rouse those who don't know any better or simply want to hang something on the current administration. And yes, both sides do it. And during Bush's term, Obama himself did it.

But the only way it works is that people believe it.

Sure, feel free to hang the Affordable Health Care law on Obama ... he signed it. He also signed to bail out the banks and auto industry. If one thinks those things were failures than one can place their perceived blame. Nothing wrong with that.

But I think we are better off basing our opinions on facts, not what some politician says. Granted, educated opinions involve more work, but basing decisions on non-fact kneejerk reaction does our country no favors. It is the difference between we controlling our elected representatives or they controlling us.

I notice none of the top so called "lies" didn't come from Ron Paul. :D

I notice none of the top so called "lies" didn't come from Ron Paul. :D

No top solutions did either.

It will be great to see Obama confront one of these liars in a debate. These Republicans are only setting themselves up for an embarrassing defeat in the upcoming Presidential debates by lying now to try and win the support of their insane and radicalized base.

I notice none of the top so called "lies" didn't come from Ron Paul. :D

Oh, is the Republican Party preparing to nominate him as their candidate? If not, I wonder why.

Also don't forget that most all public sector employees are college educated. Government tends to contract out to private industry for jobs that don't require a degree or higher education equivalent.

The Facts: The CBO has found that Obamacare will reduce the deficit by $143 billion. The truth that the Republican candidates won’t tell you is that repealing Obamacare would add $230 billion to the deficit by 2021, so much for fiscal conservatism.

No government program creates wealth. All government programs add to the deficit. Obamacare will not save money it just shifts costs.

www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/ftpdocs/120xx/doc12069/hr2.pdf

DUDE-875416,

First of all, thank you very much for taking the time to reason out your response, you should encourage your like-minded colleagues to do the same. It is really very appreciated, as it allows us to go into greater detail, and more importantly, it allows us to spread information more effectively (the purpose of Newsvine) instead of turning the comments section into a constant barrage of statements merely agreeing or disagreeing in an overly emotional way with the article's stance.

>CBO estimates that enacting all three pieces of legislation would add $59 billion to budget deficits over the 2010–2019 period.

The first thing I want to point out, is that $59 billion is not actually a lot of money to the US government. We spend $700 billion A YEAR on just defense. Do a little math here, 700 billion over 9 years, $6.3 TRILLION dollars. We could literally shave off a measly 0.0093% of our defense spending over 9 years and pay for it.

Removing the unrealistic annual Medicare savings ($463 billion)

In what way is it unrealistic?

and the stolen annual revenues from Social Security and long-term care insurance ($123 billion)

How does it steal revenue from Social Security? The most up-to-date broad assessment of the fund is that it is fine for now, with current bills passed, we have until 2023 until our population ages to a point where expenditures will exceed income, at which time, I suggest again looking to our enormous defense budget for cuts.

quickly generates additional deficits of $562 billion in the first 10 years.

Assuming the CBO isn't wrong about its Medicare projection, that adds only $200 some-odd billion over 10 years. A very reasonable amount for the well-being of fellow Americans IMHO.

This is simply not true when you consider retirement and healthcare benefits.

The article included compensation packages in their final summary, public sector employees still came up 2,000 dollars per year short according to their figures. Would you care to cite yours to compare sources?

The latest data from BLS showed 20 percent of workers in the private sector have pension plans. In the public sector, defined benefit plan coverage is four times greater — about 79 percent.

And yet the average is still higher for private sector employees? My guess is that this is because of a high median, that is, the rich getting compensated in much greater amounts than anyone else. But are you suggested that covering 79% (not even all of them?!) of public employees is a bad thing? Does it not point more to the shortfalls of the current state of the private sector?

Only Congress can "ban" earmarks. However, Romney certainly can VETO any bill that has earmarks. This is basically a Presidential ban and would be difficult to overturn if Congress is split between the two parties.

Agreed. What is your view on the line-item veto? I have heard the argument that it was only because of the line-item veto, and being able to pick out pet projects stuffed in larger bills that Clinton was able to produce surpluses.

The statement Romney stated is true. Obama (the commander and chief of the military) is shrinking the military.

The only thing Obama is reducing is the number of active duty personnel, that does not equate to a reduction in size. But our military is way too big, and most people agree. We spend way more than is necessary or reasonable by any measure.

He earned all of it due to his inability to lead.

Agreed again. As an irate lefty, I find his lack of urgency, his inability to call others out on the political games they try to play (and the games he himself plays), his inability to summon popular opinion to support important issues, stated briefly: "his inability to lead" is troubling in times like these. The majority of people overwhelming oppose cuts to Medicare and other social programs, and support raising taxes on the wealthiest, yet the Obama is unable to tap into this to get anything done. Part of this has to do with the media, part of it has to do with our political system as whole, but the point is that I not only wonder whether Obama's lack of leadership has set us up for disaster, but I also wonder whether or not this is just a symptom of a political system that is too broken for one man to fix. But his inability to articulate this message with wide appeal to an audience that overwhelmingly supports the ideas therein is a troubling thing indeed.

Again thanks for reasoned, point-by-point approach.

Nicely done Jcpas.

I hope you're not holding your breath waiting for a response.

I wouldn't.

I do beg to differ on Obama's "inability to articulate" his message. He won by a landslide in 2008. That speaks of a rather successful articulation of his message in my book.

One man can't change much in our govt. But that's by design, isn't it? Democrats are notoriously autonomous, making a lock-stepping obedience impossible.

I'm not real happy with everything the man has done, or not done as the case may be. But considering the alternative, I'm not terribly disappointed either!

2 applicable quotes

If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

Joseph Goebbels

“Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.”

Seneca

2 applicable quotes

Seen both of them around Newsvine numerous times...by both sides. I must admit both are equally applicable to the Democrats.

Will the Tea Party Republicans EVER stop lying?

Will the OWS democrats ever get a clue or take a bath?

I do beg to differ on Obama's "inability to articulate" his message. He won by a landslide in 2008. That speaks of a rather successful articulation of his message in my book.

I don't think he has the support of the young like he did before and he's not going to be able to use the exact same message this time. The lack of "successful articulation" was meant to refer specifically to the fact that he speaks indirectly and often so politely argues against a Republican talking points that you would wonder why he would demonstrate so much respect for even the craziest of ideas. He needs to man up, he needs to challenge Republicans unscripted and expose them and any Democrats of like mind.

One man can't change much in our govt. But that's by design, isn't it?

Indeed. You don't need one person to do the changes under their own authority, all it takes is one person to unify people under a common cause and affect positive, real change in this country. Congress is its lowest approval rating in history, and yet Congress still will not budge from its ways. Obama needs to lead the campaign against every corrupt, greedy, or otherwise incompetent and unqualified congressman in this country and make people understand the importance of their congressional elections.

I'm not real happy with everything the man has done, or not done as the case may be. But considering the alternative, I'm not terribly disappointed either!

The person I want to see be President most is Elizabeth Warren. Now there's someone I can support whole heartedly. However, given my options, I feel more like this.

1. CBO estimates that enacting all three pieces of legislation would add $59 billion to budget deficits over the 2010–2019 period.

What do you expect, insuring millions of Americans will be FREE? Typical right-winger, expects government benefits for free.

2). Mitt Romney claims government employees earn more than private sector workers.

This is simply true when you consider retirement and healthcare benefits are paid by the government workers themselves.

jcpas - There is many different types of leadership which can be effective depending upon how used. I too have felt Obama hasn't pushed his message strongly enough and have been critical of certain things but the reality of a place like DC is much different then that of everyone else. I stepped back from the vine and the rhetoric for a while and just watched and listened to the man more closely and I watched what his opposition was doing and I can to realize that Obama was either a very good chess player or he studied Sun Tsu's Art of War. I began to have a greater appreciation of what he has been able to accomplish against strong opposition but also could see where he was guiding the republicans, especially since 2010 when they won with jobs, jobs, jobs.

Obama has exposed the republican congress for what it is, revealed the RW agenda for what it is and quite frankly the reason we see such jokes running for the R nomination is that they knew they were beat. You will see a much stronger Obama in the second term but politics is still politics in DC don't expect miracles.

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Zoolopolis, that's a good one, uncanny valley.

And for those who don't know what that is, here's link explaining it-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley

Romney and Santorum fit this to a "t".

When you've sold your soul to Plutocrats, your eyes become dead and robotic.

Like looking into eyes of animated corpse.

jcpas - There is many different types of leadership which can be effective depending upon how used.

Agreed. But I think the effectiveness is determined mainly by the context and circumstances of the time.

I began to have a greater appreciation of what he has been able to accomplish

I don't deny what he has accomplished. The issues he has raised have helped me enormously... indeed I can say I'm actually ALIVE partially because of that. However, the bill is far from what we need, we need single payer and the fact that he settled for less means it will be at the very least another decade before we can raise our levels of care to the rest of the world. In addition, he has continued federal raids in states that allow medical marijuana, failed to close GITMO, and I don't know if you've seen any of his White House Petition responses, but @!$%# HIM for that whole charade. Some of them were downright disgusting to read.

Obama has exposed the republican congress for what it is

Not too enough people, we still find enormous support for candidates who are not even fit to lick dog @!$%# off a hard-working American's shoe, let alone serve the public. Yet somehow, they manage to get elected even though the President has this amazing opportunity to champion the voice of struggling Americans and use his rather enormous audience potential to talk about real issues. We need to get these old, ignorant, unqualified people the @!$%# out. This country is still a long way from adapting to the most important issues of the 21st century. @!$%# is going to really hit the fan by the end of this decade if we do not take drastic measures.

Jcpas - I hear you and feel your pain but overall I feel that Obama has done a remarkable job considering what he has been up against. Does the system need to be overhauled and things like campaign finance reform, term limits etc., imposed? Absolutely, but we all know that change is a painful process that doesn't go easy for many.

My only real disappointment was the health care result. I think he settled too soon on the public option and when that wasn't going to get through (mostly due to a few DINOs in the Senate) why he didn't give a "Medicare for All" are real push? Still, the ACA is better than anything we've ever done in the past and I truly believe that the health cartel abuses will eventually push the country to a single payer system.

Sometimes you just have to get your foot in the door.