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A brief guide to the scientific consensus on climate change

Seeded on Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:43 AM EST
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The most important issue humanity has ever faced isn't even a part of the political conversation. On that front the politicians have failed. All of them. The traditional media haven't just failed, they are complicit in the deliberate cause of that failure. Which means it's up to us. Just as the Occupy movement has changed the nature of the economic conversation in this country, we the people must change the nature of the political conversation in this country, and thus force the issue of climate change into public consciousness as not only urgent but of primary importance. It sounds like hyperbole, but on this task the future of life as we know it does in fact depend.

President Obama and the Democrats are paradigmatically better than the Republicans on the issue of climate change, yet they to a dangerous degree understate and undervalue the criticality of the moment. But the Republicans deny the science of climate change altogether. Even worse, in their feign of acting reasonable the Republicans go so far as to pretend to care about the science of climate change, with the flatly false assertion that the science is controversial and unproven. The usually compliant and enabling traditional media usually support them in this lie. And worse.

This past week, one of the most insidious conspiracies to undermine public understanding of the facts about climate change finally was revealed. Some traditional media outlets responsibly reported the story, beginning with the British newspaper The Guardian; but it certainly hasn't received the same attention given to the earlier false claim that the science of climate change has been fabricated— a story that itself received far more attention when it initially broke than when it was completely and thoroughly (pdf) and beyond all doubt debunked as not only systemic lies, but lies promoted through what appears to have been criminal activity.

None of this would be possible if people knew the scientific truth. The earlier concocted scandal would not have been taken seriously if people knew the scientific truth. The newly revealed legitimate scandal— which includes attempts to disinform children, and payments to scientists and bloggers who will deny the scientific consensus— was a direct assault on the scientific truth. And that is where we the people must start: the scientific truth. We must so embed in public consciousness the overwhelming scientific consensus on climate change that even such a well-funded disinformation industry, such incompetence and complicity from traditional media outlets, and what now has become boilerplate lunacy from Republicans cannot dissipate it. When people fully understand the scientific truth they will insist that politicians act. Republicans and other climate deniers will be dismissed with the disdain they deserve, and Democrats will, as they do often do, follow where the people lead. That is the great advantage of the Democrats. As with the Occupy movement, when the people are resolved and their message is clear, the Democrats do listen.

Most of what follows is well more than a year old. None of this is breaking news, although new reports about the impacts of climate change pour in almost daily.

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redsfan

The scientific consensus has been well established, and that many in the traditional media and pretty much all prominent Republicans continue to deny it speaks not only to their blatant dishonesty, but given the strong terms used by the scientists, their reckless irresponsibility as well. What follows is a brief but scientifically comprehensive overview. Read it. Bookmark it. Send it to anyone who ever questions whether climate change really is happening, or whether there isn't legitimate scientific debate about what really is happening.

Good information to read, keep and share.

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Reply#1 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:44 AM EST
Mr. Roger Rabbit

Here is an even briefer guide - there is none. Here are the questions and the current answers:

  • Q: Is there a climate change? A: Yep.
  • Q: Can we predict direction and duration? A: Nope, we can only make money off the speculations and doomsday scenarious
  • Q: What causes it? A: As scientists we "dunno", but we can make money if we speculate that people do
  • Q: Is human activity the cause of it? A: The atmospheric reality doesn't support this theory, but the financial reality sure does.
  • Q: Can something be done to stop or reverse it? A: How? We "dunno" what causes it, but we will keep blaming the developed world for China's and India's pollution, so we can steal moneyto the tune of one hundred billion dollars a year pretending to help small island nations.

Case closed.

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#1.1 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:26 PM EST
redsfan

Scientists DO know...read the article and the links....

Case re-opened...

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#1.2 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:13 PM EST
Mr. Roger Rabbit

There is NO consensus, as cited here

Scientists questioning the accuracy of IPCC climate projections

Scientists in this section have made comments that it is not possible to project global climate accurately enough to justify the ranges projected for temperature and sea-level rise over the next century. They may not conclude specifically that the current IPCC projections are either too high or too low, but that the projections are likely to be inaccurate due to inadequacies of current global climate modeling. Their views on climate change are usually described in more detail in their biographical articles.

  • Freeman Dyson, Professor Emeritus of the School of Natural Sciences, Institute for Advanced Study; Fellow of the Royal Society said in a 2011 email exchange with a journalist: "First, the computer models are very good at solving the equations of fluid dynamics but very bad at describing the real world. The real world is full of things like clouds and vegetation and soil and dust which the models describe very poorly. Second, we do not know whether the recent changes in climate are on balance doing more harm than good. The strongest warming is in cold places like Greenland. More people die from cold in winter than die from heat in summer. Third, there are many other causes of climate change besides human activities, as we know from studying the past. Fourth, the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is strongly coupled with other carbon reservoirs in the biosphere, vegetation and top-soil, which are as large or larger. It is misleading to consider only the atmosphere and ocean, as the climate models do, and ignore the other reservoirs. Fifth, the biological effects of CO2 in the atmosphere are beneficial, both to food crops and to natural vegetation. The biological effects are better known and probably more important than the climatic effects. Sixth, summing up the other five reasons, the climate of the earth is an immensely complicated system and nobody is close to understanding it."[8]
  • Richard Lindzen, Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Atmospheric Science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and member of the National Academy of Sciences has made his views clear in several newspaper articles:"We are quite confident (1) that global mean temperature is about 0.5 °C higher than it was a century ago; (2) that atmospheric levels of CO2 have risen over the past two centuries; and (3) that CO2 is a greenhouse gas whose increase is likely to warm the earth (one of many, the most important being water vapor and clouds). But – and I cannot stress this enough – we are not in a position to confidently attribute past climate change to CO2 or to forecast what the climate will be in the future.".[9] "[T]here has been no question whatsoever that CO2 is an infrared absorber (i.e., a greenhouse gas – albeit a minor one), and its increase should theoretically contribute to warming. Indeed, if all else were kept equal, the increase in CO2 should have led to somewhat more warming than has been observed."[10][11]
  • Nils-Axel Mörner, retired head of the Paleogeophysics and Geodynamics department at Stockholm University and former Chairman of the INQUA Commission on Sea Level Changes and Coastal Evolution (1999–2003) said in 2005 evidence given to a select committee: "In conclusion, observational data do not support the sea level rise scenario. On the contrary, they seriously contradict it. Therefore we should free the world from the condemnation of becoming extensively flooded in the near future."[12]
  • Garth Paltridge, Visiting Fellow ANU and retired Chief Research Scientist, CSIRO Division of Atmospheric Research and retired Director of the Institute of the Antarctic Cooperative Research Centre said in his 2009 book: "There are good and straightforward scientific reasons to believe that the burning of fossil fuel and consequent increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide will lead to an increase in the average temperature of the world above that which would otherwise be the case. Whether the increase will be large enough to be noticeable is still an unanswered question."[13]
  • Philip Stott, professor emeritus of biogeography at the University of London said in a 2007 opinion piece: "It is claimed, on the basis of computer models, that this should lead to 1.1 – 6.4 C warming. What is rarely noted is that we are already three-quarters of the way into this in terms of radiative forcing, but we have only witnessed a 0.6 (+/-0.2) C rise, and there is no reason to suppose that all of this is due to humans."[14]
  • Hendrik Tennekes, retired Director of Research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute said in a 2009 essay: "The blind adherence to the harebrained idea that climate models can generate 'realistic' simulations of climate is the principal reason why I remain a climate skeptic."[15]

Scientists arguing that global warming is primarily caused by natural processes

Scientists in this section have made comments that the observed warming is more likely attributable to natural causes than to human activities. Their views on climate change are usually described in more detail in their biographical articles.

  • Khabibullo Abdusamatov, mathematician and astronomer at Pulkovo Observatory of the Russian Academy of Sciences said in a 2007 news agency interview: "Global warming results not from the emission of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, but from an unusually high level of solar radiation and a lengthy – almost throughout the last century – growth in its intensity."[18]
  • Sallie Baliunas, astronomer, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics said in a 2002 lecture for The Heritage Foundation: "Most of the increase in the air's concentration of greenhouse gases from human activities—over 80 percent—occurred after the 1940s. That means that the strong early 20th century warming must be largely, if not entirely, natural."[19]"The coincident changes in the sun's changing energy output and temperature records on earth tend to argue that the sun has driven a major portion of the 20th century temperature change."[19] "[T]he recent warming trend in the surface temperature record cannot be caused by the increase of human-made greenhouse gases in the air."[20][not in citation given]
  • Ian Clark, hydrogeologist, professor, Department of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa said in a 2004 newspaper letter:"That portion of the scientific community that attributes climate warming to CO2 relies on the hypothesis that increasing CO2, which is in fact a minor greenhouse gas, triggers a much larger water vapour response to warm the atmosphere. This mechanism has never been tested scientifically beyond the mathematical models that predict extensive warming, and are confounded by the complexity of cloud formation – which has a cooling effect. ... We know that [the sun] was responsible for climate change in the past, and so is clearly going to play the lead role in present and future climate change. And interestingly... solar activity has recently begun a downward cycle."[21]
  • Chris de Freitas, Associate Professor, School of Geography, Geology and Environmental Science, University of Auckland said in a 2006 newspaper article: "There is evidence of global warming. ... But warming does not confirm that carbon dioxide is causing it. Climate is always warming or cooling. There are natural variability theories of warming. To support the argument that carbon dioxide is causing it, the evidence would have to distinguish between human-caused and natural warming. This has not been done."[22]
  • David Douglass, solid-state physicist, professor, Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Rochester was reported to have said in a 2007 paper in the International Journal of Climatology: "The observed pattern of warming, comparing surface and atmospheric temperature trends, does not show the characteristic fingerprint associated with greenhouse warming. The inescapable conclusion is that the human contribution is not significant and that observed increases in carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases make only a negligible contribution to climate warming."[23]
  • Don Easterbrook, emeritus professor of geology, Western Washington University said in a 2006 presentation to the Geological Society of America: "Glaciers advanced from about 1890–1920, retreated rapidly from ~1925 to ~1945, readvanced from ~1945 to ~1977, and have been retreating since the present warm cycle began in 1977. ... Because the warming periods in these oscillations occurred well before atmospheric CO2 began to rise rapidly in the 1940s, they could not have been caused by increased atmospheric CO2, and global warming since 1900 could well have happened without any effect of CO2. If the cycles continue as in the past, the current warm cycle should end soon and global temperatures should cool slightly until about 2035, then warm about 0.5 °C from ~2035 to ~2065, and cool slightly until 2100."[24]
  • William M. Gray, Professor Emeritus and head of The Tropical Meteorology Project, Department of Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University said in a 2006 newspaper interview: "I am of the opinion that [global warming] is one of the greatest hoaxes ever perpetrated on the American people."[25]
  • William Happer, physicist specializing in optics and spectroscopy, Princeton University said in a 2006 newspaper interview: "All the evidence I see is that the current warming of the climate is just like past warmings. In fact, it's not as much as past warmings yet, and it probably has little to do with carbon dioxide, just like past warmings had little to do with carbon dioxide"[26]
  • William Kininmonth, meteorologist, former Australian delegate to World Meteorological Organization Commission for Climatology wrote in a 2004 article and book: "There has been a real climate change over the late nineteenth and twentieth centuries that can be attributed to natural phenomena. Natural variability of the climate system has been underestimated by IPCC and has, to now, dominated human influences."[27]
  • David Legates, associate professor of geography and director of the Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware wrote in a 2006 article for the National Center for Policy Analysis: "About half of the warming during the 20th century occurred prior to the 1940s, and natural variability accounts for all or nearly all of the warming."[28]
  • Tad Murty, oceanographer; adjunct professor, Departments of Civil Engineering and Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa said in 2005: Global warming "is the biggest scientific hoax being perpetrated on humanity. There is no global warming due to human anthropogenic activities. The atmosphere hasn't changed much in 280 million years, and there have always been cycles of warming and cooling. The Cretaceous period was the warmest on earth. You could have grown tomatoes at the North Pole"[29]
  • Tim Patterson, paleoclimatologist and Professor of Geology at Carleton University in Canada said in a 2007 newspaper article: "There is no meaningful correlation between CO2 levels and Earth's temperature over this [geologic] time frame. In fact, when CO2 levels were over ten times higher than they are now, about 450 million years ago, the planet was in the depths of the absolute coldest period in the last half billion years. On the basis of this evidence, how could anyone still believe that the recent relatively small increase in CO2 levels would be the major cause of the past century's modest warming?"[30][31]
  • Ian Plimer, Professor emeritus of Mining Geology, The University of Adelaide said in a 2002 television debate: "Natural climate changes occur unrelated to carbon dioxide contents. We've had many, many times in the recent past where we've rapidly gone into a greenhouse and the carbon dioxide content has been far, far lower than the current carbon dioxide content... It looks as if carbon dioxide actually follows climate change rather than drives it".[32]
  • Nicola Scafetta, research scientist in the physics department at Duke University said in a 2010 article originally written for the Italian magazine La Chimica e l'Industria (Chemistry and Industry): "At least 60% of the warming of the Earth observed since 1970 appears to be induced by natural cycles which are present in the solar system. A climatic stabilization or cooling until 2030–2040 is forecast by the phenomenological model."[33][34]
  • Tom Segalstad, head of the Geology Museum at the University of Oslo said in a 2007 presentation to the 9th International Symposium on Mining in the Arctic: "The IPCC's temperature curve (the so-called 'hockey stick' curve) must be in error, because the Medieval warm period (the "Climate Optimum") and the Little Ice Age both are absent from their curve, on which the IPCC bases its future projections and recommended mitigation. All measurements of solar luminosity and 14C isotopes show that there is at present an increasing solar radiation which gives a warmer climate (Willson, R.C & Hudson, H.S. 1991: The Sun's luminosity over a complete solar cycle. Nature 351, 42–44; and Coffey, H.E., Erwin, E.H. & Hanchett, C.D.: Solar databases for global change models. www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/SOLAR/solarda3.html). Warmer climate was previously perceived as an optimum climate and not catastrophic. ... On a wet basis the Earth's atmosphere consists by mass of ~73.5% nitrogen, ~22.5% oxygen, ~2.7% water, and ~1.25% argon. CO2 in air is in minimal amount, ~0.05% by mass, and with minimal capacity (~2%) to influence the "Greenhouse Effect" compared to water vapor"[35]
  • Nir Shaviv, astrophysicist at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem said in a 2006 online essay: "[T]he truth is probably somewhere in between [the common view and that of skeptics], with natural causes probably being more important over the past century, whereas anthropogenic causes will probably be more dominant over the next century. ... [A]bout 2/3's (give or take a third or so) of the warming [over the past century] should be attributed to increased solar activity and the remaining to anthropogenic causes."[36]
  • Fred Singer, Professor emeritus of Environmental Sciences at the University of Virginia said in a 2005 award acceptance speech: "The greenhouse effect is real. However, the effect is minute, insignificant, and very difficult to detect."[37] Also in a 2006 television program: "It's not automatically true that warming is bad, I happen to believe that warming is good, and so do many economists."[38]
  • Willie Soon, astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics was reported to have said in a 2003 paper for Energy & Environment: "there's increasingly strong evidence that previous research conclusions, including those of the United Nations and the United States government concerning 20th century warming, may have been biased by underestimation of natural climate variations. The bottom line is that if these variations are indeed proven true, then, yes, natural climate fluctuations could be a dominant factor in the recent warming. In other words, natural factors could be more important than previously assumed."[39]
  • Roy Spencer, principal research scientist, University of Alabama in Huntsville said in 2008 testimony to a US Senate committee: "I predict that in the coming years, there will be a growing realization among the global warming research community that most of the climate change we have observed is natural, and that mankind's role is relatively minor".[40]
  • Henrik Svensmark, Danish National Space Center said in a 2007 paper for Astronomy & Geophysics: "The case for anthropogenic climate change during the 20th century rests primarily on the fact that concentrations of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases increased and so did global temperatures. Attempts to show that certain details in the climatic record confirm the greenhouse forcing (e.g. Mitchell et al. 2001) have been less than conclusive. By contrast, the hypothesis that changes in cloudiness obedient to cosmic rays help to force climate change predicts a distinctive signal that is in fact very easily observed, as an exception that proves the rule." [41]
  • Jan Veizer, environmental geochemist, Professor Emeritus from University of Ottawa said in a paper published in Geoscience Candada in 2005: "At this stage, two scenarios of potential human impact on climate appear feasible: (1) the standard IPCC model that advocates the leading role of greenhouse gases, particularly of CO2, and (2) the alternative model that argues for celestial phenomena as the principal climate driver. The two scenarios are likely not even mutually exclusive, but a prioritization may result in different relative impact. Models and empirical observations are both indispensable tools of science, yet when discrepancies arise, observations should carry greater weight than theory. If so, the multitude of empirical observations favours celestial phenomena as the most important driver of terrestrial climate on most time scales, but time will be the final judge."[42]

Scientists arguing that the cause of global warming is unknown

Scientists in this section have made comments that no principal cause can be ascribed to the observed rising temperatures, whether man-made or natural. Their views on climate change are usually described in more detail in their biographical articles.

  • Syun-Ichi Akasofu, retired professor of geophysics and Founding Director of the International Arctic Research Center of the University of Alaska Fairbanks said in a 2007 blog post:"[T]he method of study adopted by the International Panel of Climate Change (IPCC) is fundamentally flawed, resulting in a baseless conclusion: Most of the observed increase in globally averaged temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations. Contrary to this statement ..., there is so far no definitive evidence that 'most' of the present warming is due to the greenhouse effect. ... [The IPCC] should have recognized that the range of observed natural changes should not be ignored, and thus their conclusion should be very tentative. The term 'most' in their conclusion is baseless."[43]
  • Claude Allègre, geochemist, Institute of Geophysics (Paris) said in a 2006 newspaper article:"The increase in the CO2 content of the atmosphere is an observed fact and mankind is most certainly responsible. In the long term, this increase will without doubt become harmful, but its exact role in the climate is less clear. Various parameters appear more important than CO2. Consider the water cycle and formation of various types of clouds, and the complex effects of industrial or agricultural dust. Or fluctuations of the intensity of the solar radiation on annual and century scale, which seem better correlated with heating effects than the variations of CO2 content."[44]
  • Robert C. Balling, Jr., a professor of geography at Arizona State University said in a 2003 essay for the George C. Marshall Institute:"[I]t is very likely that the recent upward trend [in global surface temperature] is very real and that the upward signal is greater than any noise introduced from uncertainties in the record. However, the general error is most likely to be in the warming direction, with a maximum possible (though unlikely) value of 0.3 °C. ... At this moment in time we know only that: (1) Global surface temperatures have risen in recent decades. (2) Mid-tropospheric temperatures have warmed little over the same period. (3) This difference is not consistent with predictions from numerical climate models."[45]
  • John Christy, professor of atmospheric science and director of the Earth System Science Center at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, contributor to several IPCC said in a 2009 Energy and Environment paper with David Douglass: "...the data show a small underlying positive trend that is consistent with CO2 climate forcing with no-feedback. ... The global warming hypothesis states that there are positive feedback processes leading to gains g that are larger than 1, perhaps as large as 3 or 4. However, recent studies suggest that the values of g is much smaller."[46] Also in a 2009 opinion piece: "...I see neither the developing catastrophe nor the smoking gun proving that human activity is to blame for most of the warming we see. Rather, I see a reliance on climate models (useful but never "proof") and the coincidence that changes in carbon dioxide and global temperatures have loose similarity over time."[47]
  • Petr Chylek, Space and Remote Sensing Sciences researcher, Los Alamos National Laboratory said in a 2002 magazine article: "Carbon dioxide should not be considered as a dominant force behind the current warming...how much of the [temperature] increase can be ascribed to CO2, to changes in solar activity, or to the natural variability of climate is uncertain"[48]
  • David Deming, geology professor at the University of Oklahoma said in 2006 testimony to a US Senate committee:"The amount of climatic warming that has taken place in the past 150 years is poorly constrained, and its cause – human or natural – is unknown. There is no sound scientific basis for predicting future climate change with any degree of certainty. If the climate does warm, it is likely to be beneficial to humanity rather than harmful. In my opinion, it would be foolish to establish national energy policy on the basis of misinformation and irrational hysteria."[49]
  • Antonino Zichichi, emeritus professor of nuclear physics at the University of Bologna and president of the World Federation of Scientists, was reported to have said at a 2007 Vatican Seminar on Climate Change: "it is not possible to exclude the idea that climate changes can be due to natural causes".[50]

The CONSENSUS was the GEOCENTRIC Universe (AKA Ptolemaic system). That is science ruled by "consensus".

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#1.3 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:45 PM EST
redsfan

Mr. Rabbit...take a look at the top of the page you just linked....

This article has multiple issues. Please help improve it or discuss these issues on the talk page.

  • It may need to be rewritten entirely to comply with Wikipedia's quality standards. Tagged since October 2011.
  • Its neutrality is disputed. Tagged since October 2011.
  • It contains too many or too lengthy of quotations for an encyclopedic entry. Tagged since October 2011.
  • It may be unbalanced towards certain viewpoints. Tagged since November 2011.

And then take a look at the REAL sources in the seeded article...

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#1.4 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:45 PM EST
Mr. Roger Rabbit

Do scientists have quality issues? Do the data? FYI I came to the same conclusion after about a day of independent research. Here are the facts: for the past 10-13 years there is no discernable rise in temperature. For the past 10-13 years man-made emissions have increased. There was an ice age - it ended in global worming. These two facts are ALL the information one needs to conclude that man-made GW is BS, and that the current state of atmospheric modeling is laughable at best. Can you think for yourself?

It is not about "neutrality" the purpose of the article is not to thing cumbaya to the GW crowd, but rather list the scientists who have both the statue and a reason to disagree, as such - it does a great job, as for the lengthy quote - I am sorry, how long is the proof of the Great Fermat theorem? I hope the moron's digest can shorten it up for the general public - imagine that - the scientific arguments are too long, so the morons cannot keep their attention focused enough to dig it. Wow - what an objection in SCIENTIFIC dispute.

One more time - for those of us who are enamored with alleged consensus - Ptolemaic system was CONSENTUAL for over a THOUSAND years. So what?

Please note - the objections are about the FORMAT - and none about the SUBSTANCE, I wonder why?

  • 2 votes
#1.5 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:26 PM EST
redsfan

The substance of your link is absolute crap...the link even says so...

Why don't you try reading real scientific studies instead of Koch-funded fantasies?

  • 1 vote
#1.6 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:16 PM EST
Mr. Roger Rabbit

Why don't you try reading real scientific studies instead of Koch-funded fantasies?

Because I have a brain and I am not afraid to use it.

Here are the facts: for the past 10-13 years there is NO discernable rise in temperature. For the past 10-13 years man-made emissions have INCREASED.

End of the man-made part, as well as all "predictive models". Can you or any of those Al Gore funded scientists explain it? The answer - nope.

  • 3 votes
#1.7 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:52 AM EST
redsfan

On one side of the "controversy" are credentialed climatologists around the globe who publish in reputable, peer-reviewed scientific journals and agree that the planet is warming and that humans are to blame; on the other are fossil-fuel-industry-funded "experts" who tend to have little background in climatology and who publish non-peer-reviewed papers in junk magazines disputing established truths. These are quickly debunked, but not before their findings have been reported by conservative blogs and news outlets, which somehow never get around to mentioning it when these studies are proved to be badly flawed.

Climate denial in the classroom

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#1.8 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:02 AM EST
Mr. Roger Rabbit

who publish in reputable, peer-reviewed scientific journals and agree that the planet is warming and that humans are to blame; on the other are fossil-fuel-industry-funded "experts" who tend to have little background in climatology

Ok - let's try again, can you spell Ptolemaic? Was publiched by reputable astrologists in peer-reviewed publications. What else you've got?

Freeman Dyson, Professor Emeritus of the School of Natural Sciences, Institute for Advanced Study; Fellow of the Royal Society

Richard Lindzen, Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Atmospheric Science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and member of the National Academy of Sciences

Nils-Axel Mörner, retired head of the Paleogeophysics and Geodynamics department at Stockholm University and former Chairman of the INQUA Commission on Sea Level Changes and Coastal Evolution

Hendrik Tennekes, retired Director of Research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute

Khabibullo Abdusamatov, mathematician and astronomer at Pulkovo Observatory of the Russian Academy of Sciences

Sallie Baliunas, astronomer, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics

William Happer, physicist specializing in optics and spectroscopy, Princeton University

Willie Soon, astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics

Henrik Svensmark, Danish National Space Center

Syun-Ichi Akasofu, retired professor of geophysics and Founding Director of the International Arctic Research Center of the University of Alaska

Claude Allègre, geochemist, Institute of Geophysics (Paris)

Petr Chylek, Space and Remote Sensing Sciences researcher, Los Alamos National Laboratory

So let me see if I got that straight - people from all over the world, and all kinds of professions, including, but not limited to Harvard, MIT, UVA, Smithsonian, Los Alamos National Lab, people from Stockholm, London, Auckland, Paris, and Fairbanks, Alaska are all funded by the Kosch money. You sure it wasn't Cheney and Haliburton? Partisan much?

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#1.9 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:31 AM EST
redsfan

As long as you insist on quoting a wikipedia page that is actually marked as inaccurate...there's no point in continuing this.

  • 1 vote
#1.10 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:06 PM EST
Mr. Roger Rabbit

I am quoting the names of scientists and their workplaces. Do you have proof otherwise? Do you have the credentials of critics of this article, proof of inaccuracy, other than anonymous markings by the partisans such as yourself. Any new facts? Anything of substance at all?

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#1.11 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:05 PM EST
redsfan

Yes I do have all that stuff. Read the seeded article and all the links.

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#1.12 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:51 AM EST
Mr. Roger Rabbit

I shows that Richard Lindzen, is not at MIT? Where does it say it? The MIT says otherwise right here. Even lists his email - lindzen@wind.mit.edu.

Or maybe it says that Khabibullo Abdusamatov is not a Pulkovo Observatory, because there is no Observatory in Pulkovo? I was there and can first hand confirm the existence of such observatory.

Or perhaps Petr Chylek or even the entire Los Alamos facility was purchase by the Cheney/Kotch consortium, is now developing oil energies instead of nuclear one.

Where in this BS you peddling do you have verifiable proof of inaccuracy?

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#1.13 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:31 PM EST
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Texasguy01

Time to face reality and give it up. Climate change was a scam and one designed to transfer political control. Time to face the reality that it was lies and planted faked stories. If all of the climategate emails will not convince you or the studies showing there is no global warming will not convince you then feel free to hold on to illusions. What is even funnier is to refer to Occupy protests as a success? They have imploded big time and are only fond memories to those who got to party during the peak.

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Reply#2 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:24 AM EST
redsfan

Climate change was a scam

You obviously didn't read the article or the numerous links proving that climate change is real and it is man-made. It has nothing to do with politics...it is science and it is real.

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#2.1 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:47 AM EST
paxildog

Yeah Texas, you're correct. But what is the next big scam is the real question. One that some of us can get in on toward the beginning like Al Gore did and make a bundle off the naive. Gotta hand it to him, he was smart enough to do nothing green personally and still make a fortune by fleecing the easily led.

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#2.2 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:09 PM EST
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