I Peeled the Obama Bumper Sticker Off My Car Today

How sad for the country. Can you imagine what the country would look like if we went back to the failed Republican policies that brought us to the brink of economic collapse?

I've pointed this out before, but it bears repeating. Most of you remember when St. Ronnie asked if you were better off now than four years earlier, well I want to point out that there was not a single economic measure that was better when W left office than when he entered. That is the Republican legacy. In internet speak, fail!

It was Clinton and Barney Frank's policies that created the housing bubble and bust. Ron Paul accurately predicted it years before it happened.

Dean,

You need to get off this band wagon as it's going no where.

Did Fannie and Freddie Cause Mortgage Crisis? No.

I have the the one that reads Nobama 2012 keep the change.

David St. Hubbins: It's such a fine line between stupid, and uh...
Nigel Tufnel: Clever.
David St. Hubbins: Yeah, and clever.

It was Clinton and Barney Frank's policies that created the housing bubble and bust.

And once again the lie is thrown out there - Sorry Dean, this is patently false.

As for Ron Paul "accurately predicting" it - anyone with a brain could have predicted the "bubble" bursting....hell, even I did that back when I had no clue about economic theory or how securities worked.....but make no mistake about it - 1. Ron Paul did NOTHING to help prevent it did he?...well, he DID vote against the repeal of Glass-Steagall and he DIDN'T vote for GLB - actually he didn't cast a vote for or against the bill, BUT did he offer any legislation (especially when the GOP held the majority in the House) to curtail any of the abuses that occurred (and would occur) thanks to GLB?

Did he warn his party's leadership (Gingrich, Frist, Grahamm, Delay, Lott, Hastart and Bush, among others) about the dire consequences of mortgage backed securities, mortgage bundling, credit swaps and the like?

If he predicted it and did nothing, what type of leadership does that show? Meanwhile, Barney Frank and others screamed from the rafters about the need for better regulations and more enforcement against the banks....and from 2001-2007, the GOP didn't listen....until it was too late.

Good for you, I saw a car in Jackson Hole Wyoming, the biggest bastion of Democrats in the state, that had Obama 08 and on the other side there was one that was the nobama 2012. Loved it.

....and from 2001-2007, the GOP didn't listen....until it was too late.

It's hard to focus on counting your money when people are distracting you all the time:

From his earliest days in office, Mr. Bush paired his belief that Americans do best when they own their own home with his conviction that markets do best when let alone.

He pushed hard to expand homeownership, especially among minorities, an initiative that dovetailed with his ambition to expand the Republican tent — and with the business interests of some of his biggest donors. But his housing policies and hands-off approach to regulation encouraged lax lending standards.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/business/21admin.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1329102020-V6CVEpBVwGKwbyBJAUO4UA

I'm having this bumper magnet made and already have orders coming in for it!

YES!

R.I.P GOP 2012

I'm having this bumper magnet made and already have orders coming in for it!

Just make sure you don't make too much money!!!

"Just make sure you don't make too much money"!!! If a republican gets elected (when HELL freezes over), 99% of the American population, WON'T BE MAKING ANY!!!

'Did Fannie and Freddie Cause Mortgage Crisis? No.' Agree. It was the Federal government interfering in the private sector. Freddie & Fannie were simply instruments of same.

Where did this come from? What caused the recession? It is more than blatantly obvious that what we are calling a recession was more precisely defined as the largest white collar crime wave in our history. What's not blatantly obvious about bundles of junk loans and mortgages being sold world wide fraudulently after being grossly over rated by rating agencies?

Who was McCain's "economic advisor" for his 2008 campaign? PHIL GRAMM, who belongs in prison for enabling the recession/white collar crime wave to happen. Look up the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of 1999 and the Modernization of Commodities and Futures Act. Where would we be with McCain and probably Gramm in the White House?

I don't even support Fannie and Freddie or government intervention into the housing market. To be precise, they are secondary agencies that buy bundles of mortgages from Wall Street giants. The got $crewed by Wall Street along with the rest of the world.

Everyone should recognize the huge difference between Obama and what would have happened under McCain on the economy. They BOTH would have had to confront a Bush recession at full speed in 2008-2009.

easy there webslinger...

First of all, Ron Paul is not a Republican. He is simply trying to get the Repub Nomination this year. He is a Liberterian. Secondly, yes Ron Paul did stand up in congress and tell everyone what was going to happen if they continued on this road. You are correct in saying that the Repubs at the time did nothing to stop it, but to say that he didnt warn his party is completely wrong because he was not apart of the Republican party at the time.

I put my Obama 2012 sticker on as well. I also see some of Ron Paul's ideas as crazy, but he does always seem to have the same principles every election. There are some that I agree with: Stopping the war on drugs, fiscal responsiblity, gettting the FED under control, bringing troops home, reducing the size of military.

Dean, anybody with a dime store calculator could have figured the median housing price was exceeding the median income by leaps and bounds. A cataclysmic failure was predicted for years.

But I don't think anybody can point fingers at anybody. We all had a hand in make believe housing equity.

First of all, Ron Paul is not a Republican.

So he registered Republican for the convenience of it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_paul

Political party

Republican Party
(1976–1988, 1988–present)

Other political
affiliations

Libertarian Party (1988 election)

He needs to make up his mind. Someone who flies one flag but is loyal to another tends to be lumped in with traitors and false friends. I don't of course have any skin in the fight from the "false friend" perspective because I am not a Republican. But if what you say is true, Ron Paul is falsely running as a Republican because his own real party is not good enough to stand for national election.

Either way, he's running the risk of pissing off a lot of people. And as far as the whole integrity thing, well you just hammered another nail in the coffin of Ron Paul's integrity. This goes alongside his "I wrote them / I have no idea what's in them" racist newsletters as a case of a gutless coward and a faithless fraud.

The more I find out about the philosophy and methods of Ron Paul, the more he disgusts me.

Sorry Pete, but if Paul were as principled as people like Dean believe (and are trying to push), he would have been screaming from the mountain top for all to hear, instead, he abstained from voting on GLB and has offered ZERO legislation over the years that would have staved off the Great Recession. Eliminating Medicare, or Social Security, or closing down all our bases or any of his other ideas (some crazy, some not) would not have prevented the banks and a select few greedy bastards from selling off our country wholesale to make a quick buck - KNOWING that they were putting everyone at great risk.

The thing about predictions that are inevitable is someone is bound to get them right. Politicians as a group make a full range of predictions from this will work well to this won't work. Ron Paul just happened to be right. He's still too much of an ideologue and overt racist to be President. He does serve a good purpose as a state rep however in my opinion.

ron paul is a racist that has been voting for the worst war mongers.

ron paul is a racist that has been voting for the worst war mongers.

And there it is folks, the ignorant use of the race card, by those who haven't anything else. No logical argument, no discussion of issues, just simpleminded and ignorant statements in full bloom.

Disgusting. But ends their arguments. Nothing that ALEX.CA has to say now has any meaning.

I have the the one that reads Nobama 2012 keep the change.

Haha I get it. You changed Obama to NObama! Haha and keep the change is a sly reference to Obama's old campaign slogan. I wish I was smart enough to think of that.

Stevie, the right-wing nuts have to keep it simple, else their 3rd grade education levels won't be able to comprehend anything more clever or subtle.

First of all, Ron Paul is not a Republican. He is a Libertarian.

There are several different subgroups that fall under the umbrella of Republicanism. Here are a few courtesy of Time magazine: Value voters, Tea Partyers, Chamber Conservatives, Neocons and Libertarians. A lot of these groups have different ideas on how to run the country; they are having a hard time finding common ground.

Obama and republicans are corporatist scum. Vote for obama is no different than voting for republican scumbags.

Truth hurts but have fun tearing the country apart when you decide not to listen.

Vote for obama is no different than voting for republican scumbags.

Not true. A vote for Obama is a vote for Women's rights, Gay rights, and the rights of anybody who isn't a fundie Christian. A vote for the "republican scumbags" is a vote for a rewrite of history to a point where nobody remembers why the founding fathers skipped number one when writing the Bill of Rights.

There is no self respecting Libertarian that supports ending abortion. Ron Paul would make abortion illegal and racial discrimination legal the very second he was able to do so. He's also anti- gay marriage and supports DOMA. You can't claim to be a Libertarian in one breath and call for the restriction of liberties of someone different from you the next and be taken seriously by any person with a functioning brain. And don't get me started on the entire gold standard fantasies that he dreams about. A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for a return to 1812. A vote for Obama is a vote for moving forward in 2012 and beyond. I know where my vote will be going and it won't be for a one way ticket into the past.

As far as Ron Paul goes, he shouldn't have denied the race claims. There was hard proof he said those things. He should have said something more like, 'a person can change, can't they'. One thing almost all of our politicians are missing is viligance in truth, but I have to say Obama is doing pretty damn good. The patriot act thing got my goat though... The thing that really disturbs be about Ron Paul though is the reasoning behind a lot of his values. I don't disagree with a lot of the things he says, but the reasoning behind them is backasswards if you ask me. If we could come up with a candidate whose reasoning is more reasonable, I'd be much more inclined to vote for them. Another thing is that I believe the new Libertarian party is a thinly veiled republican v2.2 party, but not quite as extreme as the Tea Party. What happened to my liberal pot smoking libertarians? What happened to the Green Party? I don't even know who is running under those parties, which is my fault, but they aren't getting any coverage at all. Obama 2012, something new in 2016!

bad crack, eh, bubb?

RETHUGs MIGHT survive until 2016 but they will be mortally wounded as a political party unless policies CHANGE - a the very top and then downward from there. As it stands, they have lost the moderate portion of "their" party. The prediction is that with a decent Dem turnout in November, the election will go 60:40 dem and even WORSE if the grinch or santorum gets the nod. Paul is a non-starter from the beginning.

Ok Publius, I admit I never saw said anti semitic propaganda, but to lie about something like that is libel. I'm pretty sure people aren't just throwing that out there. Paul isn't a threat to obama or any republican. Sorry...

By 1987, Paul was ready to sever all ties to the Republican Party, as he explained in a blistering resignation letter: "Since [1981] Ronald Reagan and the Republican Party have given us skyrocketing deficits, and astoundingly a doubled national debt. How is it that the party of balanced budgets, with control of the White House and Senate, accumulated red ink greater than all previous administrations put together? ... There is no credibility left for the Republican Party as a force to reduce the size of government. That is the message of the Reagan years."^[179][177] A month later he announced he would seek the 1988 Libertarian Party nomination for president.

When he lost the Republican Party presidential primary election in 2008, Paul criticized the two major political parties, saying that there was no real difference between the parties and that neither of them truly intended to challenge the status quo. He refused to endorse the Republican Party's nominee for president, John McCain, and lent his support to third-party candidates instead.

The Republican party has changed over the last 20-30 years, Ron has publicly said that he doesnt agree with the direction they are going.

And as far as the whole integrity thing, well you just hammered another nail in the coffin of Ron Paul's integrity.

So for him to publicly say these things speaks volumes for his integrity to me. What gives someone more integrity? Bowing to the Republican Parties wishes? Or speaking out to Congress publicly stating that their actions are going to cause havok on the economy. Oh BTW, he was right on the money.

He needs to make up his mind. Someone who flies one flag but is loyal to another tends to be lumped in with traitors and false friends.

Such simple analogies dont cover the scopes of politics. Thats just like saying hes a flip-flopper when it comes to bills being submited. The truth is, he is standing up for what he believes in even though his own party alienates him. He doesnt vote party line, he votes by his princlples. Like I said, thats something I respect about him. Im not trying to say I believe all his ideas are great, or that they will help this coutnry.

WEBSLINGER-

Sorry Pete, but if Paul were as principled as people like Dean believe (and are trying to push), he would have been screaming from the mountain top for all to hear, instead, he abstained from voting on GLB and has offered ZERO legislation over the years that would have staved off the Great Recession

Here he is, screaming from the mountain top about the bad policies of the Republicans that caused this mess...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

so for you to say "he would have been screaming from the mountain top for all to hear, instead, he abstained from voting" is completely inaccurate. No, there is no "instead", he did publicly tell congress. Thats as close to screaming from the mountain top as you can get...

no, sorry - what legislation did he offer? A "prediction speech" is not enough.....and 2002 isn't 1999.

Dean- Ron Paul accurately predicted it years before it happened.

Webslinger- Sorry Pete, but if Paul were as principled as people like Dean believe (and are trying to push), he would have been screaming from the mountain top for all to hear,

When I provide proof that he "screamed from the mountain top"...

no, sorry - what legislation did he offer? A "prediction speech" is not enough

Moving the goal posts on me?

Yea okay, whatever you say webslinger.... What legislation did you offer? HMMMM?

anyone with a brain could have predicted the "bubble" bursting....hell, even I did that back when I had no clue about economic theory or how securities worked

So because you didnt create a piece of legislation to stop the collapse we can all sit here and bring your integrity into question? Is that what your saying? What about anyone else your voting for? Did they put forward legistlation to stop the recession? Did they even do as much as Ron? Where are their prediction speeches?

but make no mistake about it - 1. Ron Paul did NOTHING to help prevent it did he?...

No, im sorry- but your wrong, he did do something. More than you ever have or probly will ever do.

HA HA, you're funny.....and I never moved the goalposts, YOU however are deflecting, and demonstrating that you are not worth out time. As a LEGISLATOR (for how many years by the way?) it is Ron Paul's job to.....um, what's the word......oh yeah, LEGISLATE - did he offer, write, sponsor or co-sponsor ANY bills related to the topic of financial regulation, regulation of mortgage-backed securities, empowering the SEC to monitor hedge funds, or enforce the law? Did he do anything to prevent "too big to fail" banks from....failing? What about Bear Stearns? AIG? Countrywide? Hell, even Fannie and Freddie?

To reiterate, making a speech "predicting" things such as war in the Middle East and increased government spending and taxpayer bailouts does not mean the same as offering up legislation to prevent said bailouts, or offering legislation to prevent the wrongdoing that ultimately lead to those bailouts.

As for what I have done or will do....how the fck do you know what that would be? BUT, last time I checked, I wasn't in Congress......yet.

ron paul voted for torturer cheney twice.

I really dont care what your saying about his politics. I told you already that I dont agree with him on most subjects, Im not even advocating for people to vote for him.

YOU however are deflecting, and demonstrating that you are not worth out time.

Wow, maybe you should be a Republican... Your the one deflecting from the claim. Do I need to refresh your memory? I just showed you in the post above what we are discussing...

Ron Paul accurately predicted it years before it happened.

That was the claim that Dean made.

Then you said, "As for Ron Paul "accurately predicting" it - anyone with a brain could have predicted the "bubble" bursting....hell, even I did that back when I had no clue about economic theory or how securities worked.....but make no mistake about it - 1. Ron Paul did NOTHING to help prevent it did he?"

So how is him addressing congress doing NOTHING? Your flat out wrong, no matter how many times you try to say im deflecting, nothing is gonna change that fact.

did he offer, write, sponsor or co-sponsor ANY bills related to the topic of financial regulation, regulation of mortgage-backed securities, empowering the SEC to monitor hedge funds, or enforce the law? Did he do anything to prevent "too big to fail" banks from....failing? What about Bear Stearns? AIG? Countrywide? Hell, even Fannie and Freddie?

Please show me where I claimed he did any of those things.....

Sorry Pete, but if Paul were as principled as people like Dean believe (and are trying to push), he would have been screaming from the mountain top for all to hear

So please tell me what your definition of "screaming from the mountain top" is? I mean if its not going on record in front of congress, what is?

no, sorry - what legislation did he offer? A "prediction speech" is not enough

I think this is the exact definition of moving the goal posts. FIrst you claim that he would have been "screaming from the mountain tops", then when i show you he did, you backtrack and switch to, "what legislation did he put forth"!?!?!?! LOL Your the funny one, are you sure your not a closet republican?

To reiterate, making a speech "predicting" things such as war in the Middle East and increased government spending and taxpayer bailouts does not mean the same as offering up legislation to prevent said bailouts, but it is equivalent to screaming from the mountain top.

More than you ever have or probly will ever do.

As for what I have done or will do....how the fck do you know what that would be? BUT, last time I checked, I wasn't in Congress......yet.

I wasnt speaking of just in congress, I was talking more like lifetime achievements. But either way, let me know if you make it...

Can they be any crazier than they are?

Are you sure you want to drive "conservatives" any more nuts than they already are?

^^ It's not the RepugliCONS craziness that we should worry about. It's that dumbass with a gun in his hand that allows himself to be influenced by their hate, that we should be concerned about.

Those aren't the same people?

Yeah, I know. The looneys got bigger balls than the RepugliCONS. Unfortunately, they hate for all the wrong reasons as influenced by Beck and Limbaugh.

Conservatives do not have a valid point to prove, so they just get mean and mad. They are like teasing a dog through the fence, although I would never do that to a dog.

I plan on putting a sign up too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! make all the conservative crazy :0

make sure to hot wire it with a fence charger. That will get their attention when they try to pull it out.

Amusing how much hatred is aimed at conservatives by people professing themselves to be of a superior mindset. Apparently the conservative 'hatred and stupidity' is well seen by those afflicted with the same illness. Guess the old 'you spot it, you got it' is alive and well. No mirrors on these posts, nope.

Sadly, the above exchanges are all too reminiscent of the adolescent mentality. As a general rule members of cliques like to band together and abuse any non-clique members or people of a differing mindset. Come on now, lets see some demonstrations of the 'superior liberal intellect,' you know, the one that self-congratulates itself on it's superiority, open-mindedness and willingness to be open to other viewpoints.

When Republicans come up with a view that the "superior liberal intellect" can get behind most progressive minded people would likely be open to it. Unfortunately they have not done so, mired in school yard bully mentality and seemingly speaking for Americans that most of us have not only never met but believe they don't exist. When 75-80% of the public say that the wealthy should be taxed at a higher rate exactly how "open-minded" should we be to hearing that the American people want the wealthy to pay even less. When you campaign on jobs and get elected how "open-minded" should we be to attacks on health care services for women and unacceptable diatribes on DOMA or DADT. When you constantly say we are broke but refuse to end corporate welfare how "open-minded" should we be to gutting Social Security and Medicare. When you can come up with one cognitive answer to that quandry I will accept that I have misjudged but I think it is more likely we will spend another year of watching the right throw childish temper tantrums over the fact that they lost in 08 and will likely do so again in 2012. Hopefully their numbers will be small enough to end the obstructionist policies they have employed that have slowed recovery and held millions of Americans mired in near poverty and despair.

Gonna do a T-shirt with: If Liberals Hated America--We'd Vote Republican

Copyright that NC Slim!

I want three - extra large please.

I'll take two as well. XL. Can I get it in latte brown with an Obama 2012 added to it.

I wish I could take credit. Not mine. This is personal --to be used during rallies against the reactionary Repubs at the state house in NC. They won in 2010, but it is time to put them on the unemployment line.

In the MO "Voters' Preference" vote last week, only 8% of registered voters went to the polls. The Republicans picked Santorum over Romney. Gingrich wasn't on the ballot. Of course Obama won the Democratic vote.

Why was Ty;er's comment at 4 deleted but the CoH violating comments throughout 3 are still standing? Gosh, I wonder if you're going to delete my next comment.

Post #4I wasn't deleted, it was collapsed. I suspect that a number of people considered referring to someone's "self importance" as inflammatory or of no value, just as others expressed their opinion by voting the comment up. The algorithm that actually drives a collapse is under the control of Newsvine so you're better off taking it up with them.

BTW, your post 5.3 is a clear hijack of this vine as you attempt to promote your own seed and pull members away from this one. Deletion of the post is redsfan's prerogative, though it is certainly warranted.

In #5.4, I was referring to post "#4", not post "#41".

We need to change things and now is the time. This country can not survuve if this hate and no are allowed to continue.

Sheesh, do you read the front page of NV and the seeders and the writers of the articles?

Pure Dem/left rhetoric.

Sheesh, do you read the front page of NV and the seeders and the writers of the articles?

Pure Dem/left rhetoric.

Yeah, isn't it great!

Got that right and yes, it IS great!

Want to talk to someone who agrees with you, determed? Go check out VotingFemale. She will make you happy. Can't take the heat? Perhaps you should leave the kitchen.

Why do you listen to something you disagree with? I never watch MSNBC during the evening line-up nor FOX because it is a bunch of BS.
You might want to rethink plastering your car with political stickers. This country is so divided as to where someone will try you over some silly stickers.

Windows work fine. I see a couple around here with "Obama Sucks" on their vehicle windows.

Every car around your neighborhood should have a FOXFART sticker right next to the exhaust pipe.

Windows work fine. I see a couple around here with "Obama Sucks" on their vehicle windows.

GOP/TP has been doing that for three years now....pasting stickers ALL OVER the windows of the beat-up, late 1970's station wagon that IS their political platform...

and then having NO idea why they can't see where they are going.

They've developed a severe case of road rage these days...yelling, cursing, beating on the steering wheel, flipping people off....

and yet they still end up in the ditch.

It must be all those poor people running them off the road with their bus passes.

I really liked your comment,Colodomom.

awww shucks...

(cheezy grin)

Thanks YDD.

Colodomom I think you have the TP confused with the occupiers they're the ones with all the rage...just sayin'.

OH...well I'll take your word for it since your chosen screen name is "Fox News"...

I'm SURRRRRE your view is ahem....cough...."fair and balanced."

Aren't there some cars going around in a circle somewhere that you should be watching?

Deflecting doesn't change the facts.

neither does the linkage between the RETHUGs and the used T(oilet) P(aper) party. Facts is facts and is NOT "fox"

neither does the linkage between the RETHUGs and the used T(oilet) P(aper) party.

Who said that there was "linkage"? What in the hell are you even talking about? Are you OK?

Fox_News

Deflecting doesn't change the facts.

Hmmm, deflecting....you mean like THIS?

Fox_News

Colodomom I think you have the TP confused with the occupiers they're the ones with all the rage...just sayin'.

"JUST SAYIN'"

lol.....

Colodomom it was you that brought up TP:

GOP/TP has been doing that for three years now..

Just sayin'

Oh yeah: lol....

I'm with you all I need on my car is a good inspection sticker to keep the town fundraisers from pulling me over and giving me a ticket.

And I don't need someone keying my car or worse because they disagree with me.

There used to be a time when people fought politics at the polls, now it seems that it is all done with fights everywhere.

Yea back when we had elections and if you lost ...You waited until the next election and tried to again...

But Democrats have discovered "recall Elections" and now its the fad for any group of democrats that are not getting their way...

Maybe the people will get tired of wasted tax dollars (the Walker recall will cost over $11 Million Dollars) every time democrats don't get their way and put a stop to it !

But for now its a legal option and must be respected...

Remember how Arnold got to be gov of California?

It's only bad when Dems do it.

It's only bad when Dems do it.

Please don't attempt to put words in my mouth ...

I think its wrong for either party and I also said being its legal it must be respected...

Hey ! Romney. Is that you up there?

Nope I am way to POOR !

Yea back when we had elections and if you lost ...You waited until the next election and tried to again...

I agree that there shouldn't be recall elections, nor do I think our elected officials should run away from their responsibility of voting and passing bills, at the same time though I don't think bills should try to be passed without the people having knowledge of their existence, as was the case of the bill that was passed about collective bargaining in Wisconsin. I agree that the cost of the recall is enormous. My husband has stated that by the time they actually get the whole thing done it will be almost the end of his term or he will be impeached. As for me I just sit back and watch, I wasn't here for his election and I won't involved in the recall. I still feel concern for my friends who have the bumper stickers on their cars though.

I agree that there shouldn't be recall elections,

I disagree. When you hire someone for a job and find out they are unable to preform it to the employer's satisfaction, why shouldn't the employer have the right to fire the employee? Conservatives/ teabaggers don't seem to understand not everyone wants to live under a fascist regime.

"Fascism. You keep saying that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”

"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power."

Benito Mussolini, Fascist dictator of Italy

"Today's Conservatives Are Fascists: Torture, dictatorship, phony `elections,' and endless war - it's fascism with a `democratic' face"

Justin Raimond

"Fascism is capitalism in decay."

Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

http://www.fascismusa.com/

Fascism is "a genuinely revolutionary, trans-class form of anti-liberal, anti-conservative nationalism"

"the word 'Fascism' is almost entirely meaningless ... almost any English person would accept 'bully' as a synonym for 'Fascist"- George Orwell 1944

"fascism is the most misused, and over-used word, of our times" Richard Griffiths 2005

When you hire someone for a job and find out they are unable to preform it to the employer's satisfaction,

My god we would have to recall almost every elected official out there, not one of them has been able to control illegal immigration and the majority don't want to and the ones that do get screwed by the ones that don't. They can't balance a budget to save their souls. They steal my money from money to give someone who didn't earn it and give themselves a raise every year while the majority wallow in the slums trying to scrape out a living while they live high on the hog, Liberals and Conservatives. Almost none of them are worthwhile having in office.

There should be a lot more recall elections for all those politicians with low approval ratings.

Sammy- if some pol runs on a staunch anti-immigration platform and you hire him\her and then he\she does nothing about immigration while spending his\her entire time in office selling off public works, handing out freebies to his contributors at tax payer expense, destroying the state economy, attacking women's, gays, workers, and\or citizens rights then I would agree that that particular scum sucking pig of a pol should be recalled. Whereas if they campaigned on the things that they actually tried to do in office and you hired them anyway, which is a description that applies not one little bit to Scott Walker, I would disagree completely. ReCall elections are for the elected officials that show that they are incapable of representing the citizens that elected them, which is a description that absolutely fits Walker. Not every state has recalls, in Ohio we don't.

Walker was fairly elected with everyone knowing what he was about. The majority of those in his state are happy with the job he is doing. Because the unions can get the signatures needed only means they did a lot of legwork and got signatures, not that the majority of citizens there don't want him there. That is the problem with Mob mentality, people think because you see a lot of people protesting it is how EVERYONE feels....not so, the majority stays quiet.(see "occupy"crowd, a few make noise and get on tv, the majority makes faces at them from home)

Walker was fairly elected with everyone knowing what he was about.

Yes and no. Fairly elected yes, knowing what he was about, no.

The majority of those in his state are happy with the job he is doing.

Not so much now that we know what he's about.

I would find it very hard to believe that Walker campaigned on giving the Koch Brothers public works for pennies on a dollar. Or turning away billions in transportation funds that would have created jobs, especially since Wisconsin is in freefall in that area with 6+ months of job losses while most of the rest of the country is gaining jobs. If he campaigned on union busting it's interesting that nobody seems to have heard it. But since you say he did I'm sure you can provide a link proving that he did. I don't live in Wisconsin, but there is enough out there to show that Walker has failed to represent the people of Wisconsin.

Timba65, I'd be happy to supply those links for you.
As part of his campaign platform, Walker said he would create 250,000 jobs in his first term through a program that would include tax reforms such as rolling back the 2009 state tax increases on small businesses, capital gains, and income for top earners, and cutting state employee wages and benefits to help pay for the tax cuts. ( www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/68991847.html note date: Nov. 3, 2009 )

Walker indicated he would refuse an $810 million award from the federal Department of Transportation to build a high speed railroad line from Madison to Milwaukee because he believed it would cost the state $7.5 million per year to operate and would not be profitable ( www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/37167414.html note date: Jan. 6, 2009)

On January 25, 2012, a poll released by the Marquette University Law School revealed that Walker would win a recall election against potential candidates Tom Barrett, Kathleen Falk, David Obey, or Tim Cullen.
www.nationalreview.com/corner/289264/new-poll-delivers-scott-walker-good-news-christian-schneider and www.law.marquette.edu/poll/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/MLSPJanToplines.pdf
This compares to a poll released by Public Policy Polling in October, 2011 which also showed Walker would win a recall election against Barrett, Falk, Peter Barca, Steve Kagen, or Ron Kind. www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2011/10/wisconsin-recall-prospects-dimming.html
I'm finding there is more to support Walker is doing just what he said he'd do BEFORE he was elected and the majority of Wisconsin people approve of him. Unions make a lot of noise and are very organized but they are only 11% of the American workforce and will no longer be allowed to hold States and Cities hostage.

CuriousG, If you live there and didn't know what he was about, I suggest paying closer attention.

And which of those links will provide me with proof that he would attack the collective bargaining rights of Union workers? None disagreed with pay freezes or increasing contributions to pension and welfare. The public employees had already agreed to much of that before he was elected. Where did he say that he would make it illegal for unions to collect dues? Where did he say that he would sell off public works to the Koch Brothers for pennies on the dollar? Where did he state that he would bankrupt the State of Wisconsin and cause a fiscal crisis by handing out billions in corporate givebacks? All these things he has done or tried to do and if you can support someone like that and re-elect him then maybe Wisconsin deserves to be at the bottom in every statistic that affects working people. It will likely cause a mass exodus of productive and innovative people and bring about a competition with Texas for who can have the most minimum wage workers with no health care, but good luck with that.

As for only 11% of the American workforce being Union, that may be a biggest part of why working class income has been stagnant for 3 @!$%#ing decades. Cutting back union labor will make that worse, not better. Do you think you have vacation, a 40 hour work week, workplace protections, a living wage, pay increases, overtime pay, medical benefits and so much more because of the good graces of employers? If so, you have much to learn. I would say you could ask the women at Triangle Shirtwaist Factory, but they all died in a fire. So catmandu if you live there and don't know these things and still support the Koch puppet then I suggest YOU pay closer attention. If you don't, you will only have yourself to blame when Walker's house of cards collapses on your head. And it will, just a matter of when. But then again you may be more than happy to live in a state where poverty and joblessness is rampant, because you believe it won't affect you. Good luck with that too.

There are hundreds of millions of people out there offering to work for much lower wages.

And your point is what? Should Americans accept working for pennies an hour because some illiterate third worlder that lives in a grass hut and doesn't know what electricity and running water are is willing to work for that? Since corporations want slave labor and no benefits American workers should just say that's fine? Tell you what, you go first. I will gladly supply you with a job that pays in peanuts, report for work immediately and if you do a really good job maybe you can have 20 seconds off one day next week. What do you say to that? Better grab it up quick I got a uneducated 12 year old Vietnamese kid just chomping at the bit for it.

Forgive the non sequitor anecdote, but you reminded me of something I saw here in town a few months back. I friend of mine goes to a little Protestant church, and their sign out front for a while read:

"Honk if you love Jesus. Text if you want to meet him."

lol

Nice! I first saw the sticker in a Mad Magazine in 1981 and taped it to my back window. Driving on Sunday was interesting at low speeds in Denver.

I love Hickenlooper too!

You've got to love the Hick Holly. Everything he's done for Denver and CO has been progressive and profitable. From a geologist to a micro brewer and restauranteur to mayor and governor spells success.

Not everyone trusts in God in the United States. It should read In God I trust.

Sorry thats the only way the State issues it ... But you do have to buy it ...$1

Jim44, That's nice, but I am also a Christian and I don't feel that it is necessary to tell everyone. I would rather show that I am a Christian by trying to be the best person I can be.

So I am wrong to say I am proud to Trust in God? Is that what you mean?

Why do you seem to assume or pass judgment on my reason to put a sticker with our nations motto on my License Plate .... And ...

but I am also a Christian and I don't feel that it is necessary to tell everyone

and you think I feel it necessary to tell everyone? No, but I also don't feel I have to hide my lamp under a basket either...Do YOU?

I would rather show that I am a Christian by trying to be the best person I can be.

Well good for you...

I promise I will not tell you how to walk your journey on this earth and just remind you that its not your responsibility to tell me how I should best walk mine...

Go ahead and tell the world. That's okay. I prefer to do it quietly and to not boast about my beliefs. You can show your faith and politics any way you want. Unfortunately, in today's world and with all of the division between the political parties, when I see something like "In God We Trust" or the Christian symbol of a fish next to a NOBAMA sticker or the like, I have to doubt about that person really being a Christian and to be quite blunt, I don't believe that they are a Christian. See, Christians aren't Christians if they judge someone who is an athiest, or who has had an abortion, or uses birth control, or has Muslim friends, or if they yell nasty things at the president and constantly condemn him and want him dead, or hate homosexuals or minorities, etc. See, when I listen to Republicans, that's all I hear. Hate, hate and more hate. Remember, since you want to live your life the way you want to, don't judge others (like those groups that I have just listed) or you are NOT really a Christian. Real Christians don't act that way.

One more thing. Perhaps I am just a bit angry that I live in a state that is primarily Republican and they think that it is fine to have (VERY) nasty bumper stickers about MY PRESIDENT on their cars, while I don't have the right to even put an Obama 2012 sticker on my car because a Republican might slash my tires, or key my car, or bash out my windows, or because their are so many dang guns in this state, getmy head blown off by some Republican nut case (and, yes, Palin DID put Gabby Giffords name on a map in CROSS HAIRS). Democrats have to live in fear in this state. Many of these same people call themselves Christians. Get the picture?

I voted for Republicans my entire life but I left that sorry party because they are now the party of HATE and GREED. I doubt if I will EVER vote for another Republican in my lifetime.

OBAMA 2012!

I don't believe that they are a Christian. See, Christians aren't Christians if they judge someone who is an athiest,

But they are when they question someones faith, such as you just did? WoW so you feel you can make the judgment to determine if someone is a Christian and who is not!!!!

You ?...You actually believe that is something you are entitled to do?

You made this determination...Because the state I live in allows a citizen to buy a special sticker to place on your vehicles License Plate I am not a Christian...

You learned all that about me because I put a sticker on my truck that says ....

In God We Trust.... I never claimed to even be a Christian... (smiles)

Although I seem to remember ... Matthew 7 1 - 5

1
Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Mk. 4.24

3
And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4
Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5
Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

You might want to do some remedial reading.....

Jim44 anyone who can hate when call himself a christian they are not christian they are evil.

Jim44, As I said before, you go your way and I'll go mine, but I will tell you one more thing about the Republican Party. They are also the party of HYPOCRISY!. I have never seen so many Republicans live the saying, do as I say, not as I do. Gingrich (three wives, booted from being speaker of the house for ETHICS violations), Santorum (wife had abortion, but don't YOU dare have one), Romney (doesn't know the first thing about being poor), Palin (don't even get me started), etc. All of them trying to be something that they aren't. If you are going to call yourself the party of family values, you have to ACT that way. So far, I see President Obama and his family showing what FAMILY VALUES REALLY MEANS!

THIS is why it might sound as if I am judging SOME people who call themselves Christians. I base my hudgement on FACT! THIS is why I said that I think that actions prove that you are a Christian, not a bumper sticker.

That's judgement on fact. At least Romney doesn't parade his family around as much as Palin did. He seems to be a genuinely decent father and husband.

One more thing, When you put your "in God we trust" sticker on your car, don't you ever think that it sounds like you are saying that you are better than another country because of that? To me, it sounds as if we (our country) is trying to say that we are better than them. You know, that IS the reason why it ended up on our currency and was added to the Pledge of Allegiance back in the days of the Cold War, right? It hasn't always been there. Is that the reason why Republicans are fighting so hard to say that we are a "Christian" nation? I think that is SO wrong. We are NOT better than the rest of the world. If I'm not mistaken, that is called bigotry.

you go your way and I'll go mine,

After reading your posts.... That's the one thing we can agree on....

I was always told if you can't say something nice, not to say anything at all...

Bye!

So I am wrong to say I am proud to Trust in God? Is that what you mean?

I don't see anything wrong with it at all. In fact, if you add one of those Jesus fish eating a Darwin fish you'll get to Heaven for sure.

Hah! In the bumpersticker lexicon the very best ever was seen on a car driven by a teenaged male:

I'm hung like Einstein and smart as a Horse!

Next best: Onward, through the Fog. (Oatwillys)

Third best: Don't Follow Me, I'm Lost.

Bye Jim44.

:o) @ tweetheart

Romney may be a good dad, but only if you don't like the family dog.

tweetheart:

The bible also says spread the good news.

Matthew 10:33
He that disowns me before men, I will disown him before my father in heaven.

Luke 9:26
If anyone is ashamed of me and my words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his glory and in the glory of the Father and of the holy angels

I'm not big on quoting the Bible, but it also says that you shouldn't be boisterous about spreading the word.

My issue is with the people who profess to being a Christian but don't act like it, instist that we are a Christian nation (which we ARE NOT!), want religion in the schools, and have bumper stickers that say what good Christians they are while plastering anti-Obama stickers on the other side of their bumpers. They probably go home at night, watch FAUX and call Obama and the Democrats lots of nasty names.

I am not embarrassed to say that I am a Christian, but I don't want to be associated with the likes of Christian hypocrites like Gingrich. I was brought up in the church, taught vacation Bible school, sang in the choir, helped out with many other community activities through the church, etc. I am only telling you this because I want you to know what my background is. If a neighbor is looking for a new church, I suggest that they visit our church. That is as far as I go.

I am not, by any means, disowning God. I just don't need to announce it on MY CAR to the world.

I would call you religious not christian. Are you saying because someone has an anti Obama sticker on their car, they can't be a good christian.

Evidently you have never experienced the Holy Ghost nor went down in the water. I'll leave it at that because people will not agree on religion.

face/palm

Evidently you have never experienced...

How anyone derived that from 12.18 is beyond me.

Even some Christians don't know what it means to be a "Christian". 12.19 Pretty much solidifies that for me.

Their Jesus was going around telling people """""Let them die!!!!!!"""

According to George Carlin trusting in Joe Pesci is just as good as trusting in God. He said he got about as much from praying to Pesci as he did God. I myself trust in the only entity that really matters, ME. I don't have to worry about talking to something I can't see, hear, or touch. I don't have to lament that my actions will keep me from taking that fantasy vacation in the sky. I don't have to worry about being judged by a bunch of hypocrites on Sunday. Whenever I ask for something that I really need, ME delivers. I can create life, I can smite my enemies and I can love my neighbor without a single imaginary diety telling me I must. And who really wants to love thy neighbor if they're complete @!$%#s anyway. I've read the Bible. A couple of versions. It's incredibly boring mostly but has a few nice stories among all the killing and begetting and whoring and destruction, but I see no reason to use it as some kind of blueprint on life, especially since it's so rife with contradiction and vague enough to be interpreted by crazy people in crazy ways. It's like AA in that it's a nice crutch for those that find it too hard to stand on their own as far as I'm concerned.

Timba65, I have been having some trouble with my beliefs these days. It all started when the Republicans lost. I have always been proud to be a Christian and have never doubted in the Bible until recently. When you look at religious beliefs they certainly seem to be unrealistic. Sometimes, I feel like the promises that God has made (If you believe, you will go to Heaven. If you say that I don't exist, you are going to Hell) are more like threats. Why would a loving God threaten his children? Why does God let any one die a long and painful death? I have many questions regarding things like this. I don't want to be associated with so-called Christians on the right that PRETEND to be Christians. It's a tough subject.

I really enjoyed your post. You are definitely right about one thing. It is up to ME to make my life what I want it to be.

I don't begrudge those that accept religious beliefs, though as I stated I have opinions about it. It doesn't affect me if you choose to be Christian, Muslim, Taoist, Buddhist, or any other so I will never hold it against you. If you try to push your beliefs upon me through law or any other means it is then that I have a problem. It is the right of every person to choose their belief system and those on the extreme right have taken it upon themselves to judge me and those like me for choosing to not believe in what they do(which goes completely against what the Bible tells them to do.), push those beliefs on me and others and persecute us for that choice and that I find disturbing. As a person that once accepted Christ as his personal savior I took it upon myself to study not just Christianity but most other major religions and the deeper I dug the more I found that they are essentially all the same. They are all built upon the same tenets, most of which are just common sense. If I am wrong and heaven and God do exist I and only I will pay the price for my choice. But if they are real I won't be alone in hell, many that professed to be Christians will be right there with me.

Palin DID put Gabby Giffords name on a map in CROSS HAIRS).

So what? Are you a good twister?

It was a political map and I am sure that all the gradcious President's advisers are doing the same with Governor Romney and Senator Santorum.

I bet that they aren't! We HAVE PROOF that she did it. Do you?

I just looked at that map and those cross-hairs are on several DISTRICTS! There is no names attached to them.

Matter of fact that was old school. Cross hairs came from the Dem side. The fat droopy-faced dude that loses all of the elections he runs started it.

Where can I see that map? You do realize that DISTRICTS don't come even close to correlating with names, yes? If what you say is true, this progressive will happily send off an email asking them to take it down, but it's your responsiblity to prove your statement first.

Here's one with Bulls Eyes

http://www.postonpolitics.com/2010/04/democrats-our-bullseye-targets-on-house-districts-are-not-like-palins-crosshair-targets/

and more bulls eyes

http://thelastword.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/01/10/5808377-crosshair-maps-2010-vs-2004

But I know that will be a big difference right?

But what about this ad against A.D. Hayworth ? Scope with crosshairs ...

http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2011/01/09/sarah-palin-democrats-forget-they-put-jd-hayworth-in-crosshairs/

Please explain this one!!!!!!!

When you look at religious beliefs they certainly seem to be unrealistic... Why would a loving God threaten his children? Why does God let any one die a long and painful death? I have many questions regarding things like this.

Ut-oh... tweetheart... if you keep thinking and asking questions like that, you certainly will come to the right conclusions. Support science, not superstition. It's very freeing to realize that you don't have to live in fear (of hell). It can be very sobering to realize that you are a mere mortal, but at the same time you live life to the fullest.

It's very freeing to realize that you don't have to live in fear (of hell)

If your a Christian you don't live in fear of hell.... I under how you came to that conclusion?

It can be very sobering to realize that you are a mere mortal,

And where that thought comes from, is beyond anything I can comprehend...

Being a Christian can be no more humbling an experience and no better way to fully understand just how mortal you are....

but at the same time you live life to the fullest

How so ? Because you feel no mortal restrictions... Or is that Moral restrictions, by rules or obligations placed upon you by something you accept as superior to yourself... Something you willingly accept the desire to serve a God...Your God!

For the record ....I used Christian because you referenced HELL ... But those same feeling apply to All the religions of the world...

Jim44- bulleyes on districts or crosshairs on people? If you don't see a difference then you have my pity. Sarah Palin Democrats? Is that some kind of joke? Yet still BigRed made the assertion and I asked to see the map he\she supposedly looked at signifying the present.

Jim,

Those arrows seems to me like missiles ready to launch from the targets.

Very scary.

Timba, Thanks for your comments.

Jim, There IS a difference between a target and cross hairs, but I know that there is no sense in trying to reason with you. And, as Timba said, it's over a district, not a name.

And, for the record, my friends live in the same area as J.D. Hayworth (Hayworthless). We were at a party at their house. One of their neighbors came over and said "yeah, the other day I was talking to J.D. about Obama. We both agreed that he'd better not come walking down our street or we'd take him out!" Nice, right?

This is the mentality of many Arizonans, so it's no wonder that the guy in Tucson took things like CROSS HAIRS literally and shot Gabby Gifford and killed others. Was this guy crazy to begin with? Yes, but things like cross hairs and talking about how you hate Democrats is enough to send some people over the edge.

As far as my faith is concerned, it is up to me to decide which direction I am going to take. If you think that everything in the Bible is true, then good for you. I don't. I also look at the Bible and the Ten Commandments as a tool to teach all people, especially children, how to behave throughout their lives. If everyone followed the Ten Commandments and the Golden Rule, our world would be an incredible place to live.

Death of a President - 2006 - Our previous gracious President was alive and a movie was made about GWB.

What about that?

REALLY??!?!

A BRITISH Mocumentry

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_a_President_%282006_film%29

How many times does that one have to be debunked before you guys stop using it as "proof" of liberals or Democrats doing something that American right-wing extremists frequently and continually do?

Oh by the way, that "movie" is not about assassinating Bush, or calling for his assassination, or whatnot, it's a "what if" movie regarding what would have happened AFTER his assassination (as in, what Cheney and the GOP would have done).

Jim44,

If your a Christian you live in fear of hell. How (did) you come to that conclusion?

Of course you don't live in fear of hell, isn't that why you're a believer? If there was no consequence for not believing, then why would anyone bother to believe? St. Peter wrote a book that was considered for the last book of the bible. Part of the reason it wasn't chosen was because St. Peter said that if someone in heaven asked god to forgive a loved one and allow them to exit hell and come to heaven, he would consider it. Can't have that can we? St. Peter's book is one of the dead sea scrolls. You can reference the History Channels "Banned from the Bible" for information on that and more.

Being a Christian can be no more humbling an experience and no better way to fully understand just how mortal you are.

How would you know if you've never been an Atheist or any other religion, that is the best way to understand how mortal you are? Now I'm confused. I thought believers thought they got to live forever? Are you confusing mortal with moral?

How so ? Because you feel no mortal restrictions... Or is that moral restrictions, by rules or obligations placed upon you by something you accept as superior to yourself.

People know right from wrong. It was Gandhi who said, "I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ.” Like tweetheart said, there are so many Christians who don't act like it. They chalk up their bad behavior to temptation or "the devil made me do it"! I do right by my fellow man and act in a moral manner. A friend once told me that I'm more Christ like than most Christians; to which I said, "I don't want to be associated with those people."

You don't really think that all the stories in the bible are all actual events that took place, do you? Even the people of biblical times knew that some of the events in the bible were parables, with a lesson to be learned. There is no scientific evidence of a flood. If heaven is a perfect place, why did Lucifer fall out of favor with god? Does this suggest that we too might fall out of favor with god? Seems to me that religion congers up more questions than answers.

I grew up a Christian, I know exactly where you're coming from. Can you say that you have an understanding of where I'm coming from, or do you just automatically become defensive?

previous gracious President

Funniest comment of the day ;)

Yeah Maggie, I didn't even want to touch that one....

That previous gracious president was the most hated man in the world. People hated him more than kim jong il. They threw shoes at him.

Donald

Do you think that everyone grows up and never in their lives have doubts about their faith? I promise not to "automatically become defensive" if you will promise to.. not pretend that you have some kind of knowledge about another person you don't even know!

I know exactly where you're coming from

Really How? What do you know about me or what has happened in my life that has effected by faith?

And sorry guy ... Statements like ...

How would you know if you've never been an Atheist or any other religion, that is the best way to understand how mortal you are?

Do you know how many things I have never been, that I still know I want no part of? Not very good logic there ....my man...

I do appreciate your very smooth approach to a very personal subject... But so many things in your presentation really need some work before you use it on people that are pretty well grounded in who they are and what they believe in. Might I suggest you direct your attempts at converting people to younger people with less life experience to make their decisions on!

Donald .... As I said .... You don't know me or what I have experienced in my life... So when you say things like...

You don't really think that all the stories in the bible are all actual events that took place, do you?

I do so love it when people phrase a question with an implied intent to the question... Any question that starts with "You don't really think" Is a question intentionally phrased to get a desired response ..Now isn't it?

You could just as easily have said .... You know the stories in the bible are not true..Right? But that puts people off... and forces them into a corner! Which is not your desired outcome! You wish to create doubt... not get an answer!!

Which was a great lead into the next few questions and statements meant to further those doubts...

Even the people of biblical times knew that some of the events in the bible were parables, with a lesson to be learned.

Really you know this how? Because they told you, or it fits your agenda?

There is no scientific evidence of a flood.

Agreed ... But I also believe many things as I am sure you do that there is no scientific evidence to prove!

If heaven is a perfect place, why did Lucifer fall out of favor with god?

Now that is an interesting question from someone that claims to have been a Christian. The reason for Lucifer's exile from heaven is well know and has nothing to do with whether heaven is or is not a perfect place! And for you to ask that question, in that way, gives me cause to pause ...and to wonder WHY you would ask it!!!! You have been so careful with the phrasing of your questions... I suggest you take that one out of your presentation...

Does this suggest that we too might fall out of favor with god?

Smiles.... What more doubt? Come now, surely you understand Lucifer's fall from grace was long before the gift of Christs Crucifixion and its meaning...and how it would relate to this situation... So this is another question that will really only resonate with someone with limited biblical knowledge... Keep that one for the younger crowd...

Seems to me that religion congers up more questions than answers.

Yes and so does science.... So your point is what exactly ?

You closed you post with this....

I grew up a Christian, I know exactly where you're coming from. Can you say that you have an understanding of where I'm coming from, or do you just automatically become defensive?

So let me close mine like this...

Unlike you ..I make no claims to know any more about you than I read here on the Vine and unlike you I do not even pretend that this limited information would give me the insight to advise you about whether to buy Coke or Pepsi let along believe I could advise you on your religious beliefs...

Hope that covers ..that I don't think you know me and I don't claim to know you... OK

or do you just automatically become defensive?

I don't believe I was.... defensive, that is! So what do you think?

As far as my faith is concerned, it is up to me to decide which direction I am going to take.

Yep ..... Issue closed !

You want my advise you'll ask for it.... beyond that its up to you..Your heart, head and God or lack of a God...

I wouldn't want your advice. It isn't advice. It's control.

Nor did I offer it , now did I ?

You can be as hateful as you wish toward me and I will still just say...

Choose your own path...Its your soul not mine....

I'll worry about mine own ! That's plenty or me !!!!!!

I'm not worried about my soul. If there is a God, he will know what to do with my soul. You don't know me.

As far as being hateful, I don't believe that I have been hateful. You really need to toughen up a bit if you are going to converse with people on Newsvine. All I did was post my thoughts and then you come after me, attacking me and questioning my faith all because I think that it's wrong to try to prove that you are a Christian by putting a bumper sticker on your car. I'm done with you. See ya.

You really need to toughen up a bit

hummm

All I did was post my thoughts and then you come after me, attacking me

Really ?

It is amusing how you remember something differently than it is here for all to see...

My first comment.... And it was not even directed at YOU !!!!

I got my new sticker for my License Plate "In God We Trust" .... Proudly put on all my vehicles!

Not everyone trusts in God in the United States. It should read In God I trust.

Sorry thats the only way the State issues it ... But you do have to buy it ...$1

Jim44, That's nice, but I am also a Christian and I don't feel that it is necessary to tell everyone. I would rather show that I am a Christian by trying to be the best person I can be.

I never said I was a Christian and who questions who's actions about their faith? You do!

So I am wrong to say I am proud to Trust in God? Is that what you mean?

Why do you seem to assume or pass judgment on my reason to put a sticker with our nations motto on my License Plate .... And ...

After that the exchanges are to long to recount...But I think who this was started and it was not me attacking you...Is quite clear... And then as I remember it ....Oh yes ... you said ...

Jim44, As I said before, you go your way and I'll go mine,

and my reply...

After reading your posts.... That's the one thing we can agree on....

I was always told if you can't say something nice, not to say anything at all...

Bye!

Bye Jim44.

And I made NO FURTHER CONTACT WITH YOU UNTIL.... You engaged me again ....

Jim, There IS a difference between

and then said.....

As far as my faith is concerned, it is up to me to decide which direction I am going to take.

to which I replied ...

Yep ..... Issue closed !

You want my advise you'll ask for it.... beyond that its up to you..Your heart, head and God or lack of a God...

I wouldn't want your advice. It isn't advice. It's control.

Nor did I offer it , now did I ?

You can be as hateful as you wish toward me and I will still just say...

Choose your own path...Its your soul not mine....

I'll worry about mine own ! That's plenty or me !!!!!!

Its interesting you engaged me then broke off conversation then reengaged me and wish to make such claims as I attacked your faith...

I'm done with you. See ya.

Again? Good Luck on your Journey!

Jim, you're feeding a troll my friend. There is no substance.

That's funny. I think that most of us know who the trolls are here.

As I said, I'm done with you Jim44. Same goes for you Matt.

Matt in MN, my friend tweetheart44 is not, nor never has been a troll!

YELLOW DOG D., Thank you for your comment. I really apprecicate it! I am so proud to call you one of my friends.

One must stand for what is true. Always.

Sorry, gotta disagree. See examples:

http://redsfan.newsvine.com/_news/2012/02/12/10391094-i-peeled-the-obama-bumper-sticker-off-my-car-today?pc=25&sp=25&threadId=3344448&last=1329496936#c62556656

http://redsfan.newsvine.com/_news/2012/02/12/10391094-i-peeled-the-obama-bumper-sticker-off-my-car-today?pc=25&sp=25&threadId=3344448&last=1329496936#c62558930

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Yeah...Like I said - trolling.

That is a diaper comment.

That is a diaper comment.

Not sure what that means, or what comment you're referring, there are 5 separate examples being clear examples of trolling. Hell, I would make those comments if I were trolling someone ;-)

YELLOW DOG, I've gone around and around with Matt and Jim before. I was just playing around a bit. For the most part, I don't make glib remarks, but after awhile these two are just exhausting. It's just not worth the effort.

Anywho, has anyone seen any good PRO-Obama bumper stickers lately?

How about this one....PRO-OBAMA! PRO-WOMEN! PRO-U. S. A.!

I like that!

Okay...two cents...I've had Matt on ignore for a long time b/c his agenda to me seems only to pick fights...at some point you just have to throw it (any hope of conversation) out with the trash.

Maggie, Thank you!

Well I guess that means since Tweetheart44 Designated me a troll .... I must be one ....

Oh dear and no one to rescue me .... I am so disheartened...

And its so obvious that I keep bringing her up in the conversation (not) ....

The pity is someone I had grown to respect ... Well never mind ....

If I be a Troll then I am a damn fine PROUD one .... And will stand by what I say... And as far as Trolls go...

I am one damn LONG WINDED ONE (smiles) ....

But ya want to see what a troll does... Go to # 37.11 page 2 of this seed ... when tweetheart44 said...

Jim44 does the same thing.

Please note ...I am not even in that conversation ....hahaha Hell I didn't even make a comment on that PAGE ! I think I will rest my case ! Yep I am the troll and I have the axe to grind (smiles) ...

Yep. (smiles) Like I said....BOOOOOOORING! (smiles again)

Want to see what I mean? Here's a couple of examples. Check out #12.41 and 12.46. Soon they'll want us to read their novels. How about #22.11. Does anyone actually read these?

Yep. (smiles) Like I said....BOOOOOOORING! (smiles again)

I thought you said ...

As I said, I'm done with you Jim44.

Yea right ? You appear on other seeds.... And make such cute comments about me ...

http://drummerboy2011.newsvine.com/_news/2012/02/16/10430013-maxine-waters-calls-republican-leaders-demons-fox-news?commentId=62595795#c62595795

I said nothing to you yet .....

MJM, Trust me, They're not worth it.

my reply

MJM, Trust me, They're not worth it.

Ah back again....

and yep you were not able to contain yourself...

MJM, I'm telling you, don't bother with them.

And here you are again....

Should I assume you will be my new shadow and make snide remarks about me even when you are not even part of the on going conversation? Everywhere I go ?

Whats the definition of a Troll again? Anyone.....

God bless it. Another ESSAY! Got news for you. I'm not even reading your posts. You are now on my ignore list.

redsfan, I'm out of here. Thanks for the entertaining article! See you around.

Thank the Lord and pass the Ice Cream Sandwiches and Reese's Cups... Its Party time !

And here you are again

Ah uh.

Could someone here possibly be ....mmmmmm....SATAN?

the also mythical "bad" entity? ROFLMFAO!!

no offense, but that's why you're supposed to read the article and not just the headline :-)

No problem. But no offense too, I say : "But then, as I read further,..." which means I read the article, but the title made me think otherwise. Capish, understand, comprende, comprend?

hence the ":-)" - I know what you wrote I was being a smartass ;-) (that time it was a wink)

Then, as progressives did in 2000, you are merely voting for the republican.

Al Gore lost Florida and thus the presidency by a few hundred votes. Had 97,000 Florida progressives had not voted for Nader, Gore would have been in the White House. Even if we were attacked on 9/11 (there is an argument that says we may have been able to stop it) and go into Afghanistan as a result, we certainly don't go into Iraq. We don't cut taxes for the rich, we don't install Roberts and Alito on the SCOTUS, we have a stronger regime of regulatory protections that might have staved off a global financial meltdown and we have the national debt capacity to properly shore up the economy even if the deep recession were to occur anyway. Efforts to combat climate change would have advanced and we would be in the midst of infrastructure rebuild.

With their votes for Nader, the view that progressives put us into this mess has resonance. Too bad that some are looking to repeat. Does anyone in their right mind want the CPAC crowd picking the next three SCOTUS justices? Do we want the Bush tax cuts made permanent? Do we want a poorly-inspected pipeline traversing US aquifer lands? Do we want estate taxes completely eliminated? Do we want further elimination of consumer protections in financial services, energy and other industries? Do we want the Ryan Plan? Do we want to send troops into Iran? These all become highly likely possibilities with your choice aeonpax. I find it incredible that you and other progressives would knowingly risk all of that occurring.

President Obama has clearly fallen short on a number of fronts. I want GITMO closed, I want out of Afghanistan, I want single payer health care finance, I want immigration reform starting with the DREAM Act and I want Glass-Steagal back. But I don't suffer from the delusion thathree differences between this President and his likely GOP opponent isn't stark and that a non-vote or a vote for a more ideologically pure third party candidate isn't in actuality merely a vote for more republican fecklessness.

I sure hope that you live in a deep blue or a deep red state.

Well said, dwillie.

It is almost impossible for any administration to be worse than the bush administration.

IMO...not "almost"....

C e r t a i n l y

Then, as progressives did in 2000, you are merely voting for the republican.

That's bull@!$%#. It sent a clear message and the Democratic party heard the message loud and clear. People like the OP did it again when the Dems ran ANOTHER empty suit candidate in Kerry. No one said the Dems were quick learners - but - eventually that inaction brought Obama to the nomination.

Samuel L. Jackson I Voted for Obama BECAUSE HE'S BLACK

In an interview with Ebony magazine, Jackson explained, "I voted for Barack because he was black. 'Cuz that's why other folks vote for other people — because they look like them ... That's American politics, pure and simple. [Obama's] message didn't mean [bleep] to me."

http://www.tmz.com/2012/02/11/barack-obama-samuel-l-jackson/?adid=hero2

It sent a clear message....

Next time, send a damn telegram, Matt. Your post exemplifies exactly the kind of thinking I am talking about. A lost decade seems a ridiculously high price for the nation to pay for a "message" from the progressive end of the ideological spectrum. People's lives and livelihoods were affected in untold ways by the recklessness of that "messsage" and the nation's recovery from it will be measured in decades. At some point in every situation, we should assess whether the message is worth the cost.

1. Federal budget going from surplus to record deficits
2. Unprotected on 9/11
3. Invasion of a country that did not attack us at a cost of hundreds of billions of dollars and thousands of lives
4. Near solidification of a regressive SCOTUS majority for at least a generation
5. Largest economic downturn since the great depression
6. Acceleration of the wealth gap
7. Acceleration of job exporting
8. Near criminal relaxation of regulations leading to near global financial meltdown
9. Another decades worth of greenhouse gasses
10. Another decade behind the rest of the world in workforce preparedness

Willingness to destroy so much in favor of a "message", particularly when it involves the lives of so many for so long, is a wanton hubris that is almost beyond measure. Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum, Newt Gingrich and Grover Nordquist are cheering you on, hoping that you'll send another "message" that puts two of them (Grover is the republican shadow president) into the White House so CPAC can pick the next three SCOTUS justices.

America can no longer afford your "messages".

I didn't like Kerry - so I voted for Dopey Dwarf and Grumpy Dwarf AND THEY WERE ELECTED

Spot on, dwillie!

Willie, it's your post that exemplifies why there's nary a difference between the two political parties.

Because voting for party lines, here, I'll give you some examples:

Federal budget going from surplus to record deficits

And Obama hasn't done much better. Of course, your partisan rant will dismiss that as "trying to fix the mess", but, regardless - irrefutable fact.

Unprotected on 9/11

Could we say, unprotected on the underwear bomber, Oklahoma City, Waco Texas, the first attack on the WTC?

Invasion of a country that did not attack us at a cost of hundreds of billions of dollars and thousands of lives

Kinda like Bosnia, Operation Desert Shield, Operation Desert Fox, Somalia, the list goes on and on.

Near solidification of a regressive SCOTUS majority for at least a generation

This will always be the case, the Constitution is regressive. I don't care who appoints the SCOTUS - it will always be regressive. Even Obama said the Warren Court wasn't liberal enough.

Largest economic downturn since the great depression

Which started when Democrats took control of the purse strings.

Acceleration of the wealth gap

HA! It's rising faster under Obama. And it rose faster under Clinton. In fact, Clinton saw the absolute largest increase in income disparity since Reagan - OH @!$%#! HE actually beat Reagan: http://web.archive.org/web/20070208142023/http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/income/histinc/ie6.html

Acceleration of job exporting

Wrong again. Clinton had the highest rates of Job exportation on record.

Near criminal relaxation of regulations leading to near global financial meltdown

Oops! Bush didn't deregulate anything. That's Clinton and Gore that Repeals Glass-Steagal. It was Clinton and Gore that signed GLB.

Another decades worth of greenhouse gasses

Guess what? Obama is adding another decades worth of greenhouse gasses.

Another decade behind the rest of the world in workforce preparedness

That's been the case since Jimmy Carter made the Department of Education a cabinet.

Willingness to destroy so much in favor of a "message", particularly when it involves the lives of so many for so long, is a wanton hubris that is almost beyond measure. Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum, Newt Gingrich and Grover Nordquist are cheering you on, hoping that you'll send another "message" that puts two of them (Grover is the republican shadow president) into the White House so CPAC can pick the next three SCOTUS justices.

I would tell you, if you voted for Kerry or Gore, you would have never gotten Obama. The reason the Dems are so spineless is because they know the progressives - like you - will vote for them every time. You think it's the Republicans fault we don't have single payer? Nope. It's because Obama calculated that you and everyone of your ilk will vote for him regardless. He also calculated that he'd lose more people in the middle by passing a comprehensive single payer system.

America can no longer afford your "messages".

America can no longer afford your blind allegiance. If you want change, you better start sending messages.

I can never agree to vote for someone just because I don't like the person he is running against. I vote for the people with a platform that best fits where I want the country to go. Since the right attached itself to making the government so small you can drown it in a bathtub I don't see any way that I could ever vote for a Republican. If you are willing to sign a pledge that goes directly against your Oath of Office then there is no way I will ever give you my vote, period. Anyone that doesn't think that signing a pledge that says you will never, under any circumstance, raise taxes is going against the Oath taken by Congress is a fool. If the Republicans are willing to destroy the country, enforce strict "Christian" policies, and deny rights to anyone that is different from them then voting for them would be just about along the same lines as packing up and moving to Iran. If you want America to be just like Iran your best option would be to move there, because it won't happen here.

Matt, your post exemplifies why our nation is more in danger from willful nescience than any other malady.

And Obama hasn't done much better...

Which only works as bumper sticker-speak for the information challenged. We've had four straight years where federal tax receipts have been at least $400 billion short due to recession (which started 13 months before the current Administration came in) and tax cuts. Every economist worth his shingle knows that when business and consumer spending vapor-locks, government stimulus is the only way to relight the economic pilot flame. But of course, the simple message for the simple-minded is always best for message boards - it just sucks as a policy construct.

Could we say, unprotected on the underwear bomber, Oklahoma City, Waco Texas, the first attack on the WTC?

You could, but all except the first example would not apply to the current Administration.

Kinda like Bosnia, Operation Desert Shield, Operation Desert Fox, Somalia, the list goes on and on.

Which again has nothing to do with the current Administration.

This will always be the case, the Constitution is regressive. I don't care who appoints the SCOTUS - it will always be regressive. Even Obama said the Warren Court wasn't liberal enough.

Which doesn't in any way obviate the fact that Gore would not have put an Alito or a Roberts on the bench.

Which started when Democrats took control of the purse strings.

That isn't the first time you've self-servingly equated coincidence with causality - a simpleminded approach that is not the least bit credible.

HA! It's rising faster under Obama.

More coincidence self-servingly offered as causality. You also ignore the policy proposals aimed at ameliorating the disparity that the President has attempted to offer.

Clinton had the highest rates of Job exportation on record.

Which again has nothing to do with the current Administration. You're attempting to argue against points I haven't made. Typical.

Bush didn't deregulate anything.

The financial crisis happened eight years into Bush's watch, Matt, plenty of time to implement appropriate safeguards and mitigate the problems associated with Glass-Steagall repeal and the Commodities Futures Modernization Act. In addition, Paul Sarbannes introduced the Predatory Lending Consumer Protection Act of 2003 which never saw the light of day with republicans in control of both houses of Congress. In 2005, GSE reform passed the House with bi-partisan support and died in the Senate in the face of Administration opposition. Even Treasury Secretary Paulson - a staunch republican who himself protected his former employer, Goldman Sachs, admitted the obvious:

Regulation needs to catch up with innovation.....Supervisory authorities did not insist on appropriate disclosures of firms' potential exposure to off-balance sheet vehicles.

The most charitable thing that could be said about the Bush Administration is that it was completely and totally asleep at the switch. But since you are so intent to look to the Clinton Adminstration for its deregulatory moves, it stands to reason that you are completely in favor of the Obama Administration's signing of Dodd-Frank and you are totally against Mitt Romney's, Rick Santorum's and Newt Gingrich's stated intention to repeal Dodd-Frank. To risk elevating an Administration that would repeal Dodd-Frank because it didn't reinstate Glass-Steagall is stupid.

Obama is adding another decades worth of greenhouse gasses.

More coincidence masquerading as causality while demonstrating willful nescience of the Administration's proposals to combat greenhouse gasses. The Obama Administration proposed caps on greenhouse gasses the moment he walked into office. Cap &Trade has been blocked by the republican caucus even though they were once in favor of it. The Administration's current budget proposal is the fourth that calls for the rollback of $40 billion of oil industry subsidies and tax breaks.

That's been the case since Jimmy Carter made the Department of Education a cabinet.

Then you must be in support of the Obama Administration committing additional dollars to workforce training. You must have been in support of the Obama Administration eliminating the financial middleman on government guaranteed student loans. You must have been supportive of the Administration's expansion of Pell Grants.

if you voted for Kerry or Gore, you would have never gotten Obama.

Even if that were true, so what? If given the choice between staying out of Iraq and Obama being in office, I glady take staying out of Iraq. Between an Obama presidency and the possibility of national security continuity, I take the latter. You, Matt, unfortunately suffer from the delusion that this is about President Obama. I hope that one day you realize that this is about policy that contributes to or detracts from our long-term well being. Mature people pick the candidate whose policy perspectivesmost closely approximates our priorities and doggedly work against those who we believe will definitely make things worse. In a puerile fit of "Gore isn't EVERYTHING we want", progressives turned the nation over to someone who was far worse and we'll be dealing with the consequences of that moronic political narcissism for decades.

The reason the Dems are so spineless is because they know the progressives - like you - will vote for them every time.

You're wrong again, Matt. The spinelessness is in the face of well-financed opponents, who at times are aided and abetted by the self-destructive arrogance of glass half empty progressives. Dems know that progressives are fickle, undisciplined in their thinking and prone to miss the proverbial forest for the trees. They are inconsistent at best in generating the votes to get their candidates nominated and are just as effective in getting republicans with diametrically oppositional perspectives elected as they are getting democrats in office. For every Barack Obama they help elect, there is a George Bush who would not have gotten in office without progressives. Progressives couldnt save Russ Feingold. They couldn't save Alan Grayson, couldn't stop Rick Scott, couldn't beat Mark Kirk, couldn't beat Scott Brown, etc., etc., etc.

You think it's the Republicans fault we don't have single payer? Nope.

Wrong you are again. When the senate republican caucus is locked in with 39 votes against, a democratic supermajority on any issue is only as strong as its weakest caucus-mate. That was Blanche Lincoln - who progressives could not defeat in the senate primary but who herself lost to a republican in the general election - and Joe Lieberman, who progressives couldn't defeat in the general election.

It's because Obama calculated that you and everyone of your ilk will vote for him regardless.

Yes, my "ilk" are people who look at the fact that the President got passed that which had not been passed in a half-century of trying. My "ilk" are people who take as many yards as possible, work to keep the yards gained while looking to take more yards in subsequent plays. In other words my "ilk" are the smart people who look at policymaking as a long-term endeavor, using screen passes, draw plays and sweeps to move a policy ball toward the ultimate goal. Too many progressives are willing to turn the ball over foolishly by always attempting to throw bombs. Yes, I vote for the candidate who is both able to win and who best approximates my own policy views. Yes, count me in that ilk. If we minimize the brain-farts on the progressive side, the progressive cause has the best chance of winning in the long-term. Incrementally if necessary. All or nothing is for stupid people. Until 2000, I thought that republicans had a near monopoly on stupid. I know better now.

He also calculated that he'd lose more people in the middle by passing a comprehensive single payer system.

Wrong. Again. You're making a habit of being incorrect.

The President correctly calculated that he didnt have the votes in the Senate to pass single payer or the public option for that matter. Lieberman - the guy that progressives couldn't get rid of, was not only against single-payer, he was against the public option. Max Baucus was against the public option. So was Blanche Lincoln. HCR wouldn't pass at all without all three of their votes. The President's "calculation" was spot on correct and progressives drinking hateorade about it are the cause of republicans taking over the House..

America can no longer afford your blind allegiance.

America can no longer afford the arrogance and blind nescience of those who would destroy America to send some silly-assed "message" that is meaningless outside of the havoc it causes when it results in the elevation of those who implement policies that are the complete opposite of those desired by the messenger. Not supporting an Administration for not getting single payer is absolutely moronic if the alternative is an administration that repeals that which was gained and limits women's health choices as well. Everything I've discussed has focused on policy, Matt, so your puerile insult only highlights the intellectual impotence of the position you advocate. The all or nothing approach taken by progressives is self-defeating. The "message" approach you advocate is the height of self-destructive inanity.

Spot on dwillie. Taking one step forward followed by two steps back to send a "message" will never get you to your goal. You are correct in opining that "smart" progressives seem to understand this and also correct in stating that getting some of what you want now and some more later is substantially preferable to going for it all now and coming out with nothing.

If the current recession started 8years into the Bush admin...would that not be after he was gone as presidents can only hold the position for 2 terms?... And Bush was made a
Lame Duck" by the Democrats in nov. of 2006 meaning he was powerless to do anything, thereby making the Democrats the power holders that created this mess. All Democrats voted against fixing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac causing the housing collapse that kicked this whole toilet flush.

Sorry but again you are wrong. Democrats had the ability to regulate Fannie and Freddie in 2006 and did so immediately. Barney Frank made several attempts to regulate them prior to that and Republicans who controlled Congress refused to do so. Fannie and Freddie did not cause the near global economic meltdown anymore than you did. Irresponsible mortgage lenders that sold a multitude of liar loans and then packaged them together in completely worthless derivatives and coerced the ratings agencies to rate them as good risk was the initial cause which was compoundd by the end of Glass-Steagal and other finance deregulation pushed by Republicans. I don't know where you get your information, or if you just prefer to parrot biased talking heads that say what you want to hear, but look into changing wherever it is you are getting it because it makes you look incredibly foolih.

If the current recession started 8years into the Bush admin...

Re-read the post, catmando. The global financial meltdown occurred nearly eight years into Bush's presidency, toward the end of his second term - seven years and seven months into his presidency to be exact. The US recession - which contributed to the global market meltdown - actually began in December 2007, nine months earlier.

Further, the TARP bill was signed into law in October 2008, a full month before the General Election. Not only was Bush not a lame duck, it was his Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson who led the bailout legislation.

You're not entitled to your own set of facts, catmando.

This post replaces 22.17 above which contains a significant spelling error. I would ask the moderator to delete it.

lol...A significant spelling error....lol.....I have heard it all now.

Democrats are not in control of congress but President Obama has been managing to grow the economy and lower the unemployment rate.

How could the repubs have avoided their great recession??? Which great recession??? According to the repubs, there was """"no bush great recession!!!!""" It was just a """Mental recession!!!"""" The repubs kept telling everyone that EVERYTHING WAS OK in 2008.

Republicans are STILL in mental recession.

Democrats are not in control of congress but President Obama has been managing to grow the economy and lower the unemployment rate.

Republicans don't control the Presidency, but, they have been managing to grow the economy and lower the unemployment rate.

Which branch of government shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States?

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Article I, section 8 of the US Constitution

The economy was growing faster in 2010 when the democrats were in charge. The democrats ended bush's free falling catastrophic great recession nightmare in 2009 when they were in charge.

Last time I placed a Obama sign in my yard, the only one on the street. One afternoon after the school bus passed by I heard a noise out front. Looked out sign gone. A knock on the door a few minutes later was a group of the neighborhood kids bringing my sign back. I made a production of straightening and replanting the sign. The kids all agreed it was a bad thing to mess up my sign. My beat up sign was safe and watched over by the kids.

I see a truck most mornings on my drive in and it has a bumper sticker that says, " buy a gun, make a liberal mad." This is the type of mentality that the conservative party panders to. Sad, sad.

Itstoolate--

I have a very good military friend here. She and her hubby are from Texas and DEFINITELY Republican. She once told me I should see San Antonio...talked about how beautiful it is...

I told her I didn't think they LET liberals into Texas. I said, "Aren't there armed guards at the Texas border for that?"

We both laughed.

Apparently there are still normal Republicans who can respect another person's political beliefs. I would never think of belittling her beliefs either. It's a mutual respect thing. We get along great.

As for the googly-eyed, ultra-conservative, pseudo-Christian, vacuous Fox News groupies...well I can't speak for them.

I am just in a very, very conservative area. They all seem to have the same mind set, very well programed. I would like to be able to agree to disagree with those around me, it hasn't happened. San Antonio is beautiful along with the Austin area, well worth the trip.

It's not an easy place to live if you are not a Republican. I am an Independent, but I still don't feel comfortable voicing my opinion. I used to own a store front and you can't believe how many people would come up to the counter and would start ragging on the president, even before he was elected! I had to stand there and listen to them because I couldn't afford to lose a customer over it. See, I was trying my best not to lose my business because of all of the crap that BUSH was doing. I lost it anyway due to the economic mess BUSH created. Yes, I blame BUSH more than anyone else for my store front failing. We had been in business and had done very well for 25 years before BUSH.

We'll see what happens as the election nears. If everyone else that lives around me has signs and bumper stickers that are pro-whoever wins the Republican nomination, I am going to put mine out as well (Obama 2012, of course). If they do anything to my signs, etc., I will call the news stations and tell them about it. I might also put out a surveillance camera. That would be interesting!

I don't know. I do know that people have surveillance cameras on their front yards at Christmas so that people don't steal or vandalize their Christmas decorations and signs saying that they have surveillance. ( Our street is BIG on Christmas decorations!)

I also know that a listed pedophile moved into our neighborhood and people who lived near him with young children put cameras aimed at their front yards and driveway.

Isn't this a sad situation? I don't know what the law is, but apparently it isn't illegal to have a surveillance camera.

(I'm absolutely positive this post will be collapsed, but thats just the way it goes when you don't fall to your knees for Obama on this site.)

I liked the "I took the Obama sticker off my car" title, but the article itself.....was a letdown. To put it lightly.

It's akin to going to HOOTERS for lunch and then finding out that the waitresses have been changed to SUMO Wrestlers or something.....

The Republicans have many "Plans" for Jobs, The Democrats have them all stalled in the Senate: www.majorityleader.gov/JobsTracker/ You won't hear about it because Media Matters is working with MSNBC and the Obama Admin. to keep it from the not so enlightened that they need to vote for him again.

A great deal of Republican offered legislation would kill jobs according to the CBO. You know the org that Republicans disregard whenever the score is bad for them and laud whenever they give a score lower than a Dem hopes for.

The repubs are losing the election but they keep on digging deeper.

It is because all this craziness got them in office in 2010. People have grown tired of the craziness, it is not at all as affective as it once was. So instead of backing of the rhetoric, they have intensified it in hopes to work everyone up into a froth again so things will once again go their way. People in general are getting tired of this type of BS.