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House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) gave a rare floor speech Wednesday threatening legislative action if the Obama administration does not reverse its rule requiring health insurance plans to cover birth control without copays.
“If the president does not reverse the Department’s attack on religious freedom, then the Congress, acting on behalf of the American people and the Constitution we are sworn to uphold and defend, must,” Boehner said. “This attack by the federal government on religious freedom in our country cannot stand, and will not stand.”
The Speaker said the House would take matters into its own hands with committee hearings and legislative action to push back if the administration declines to act.
Boehner Threatens Legislative Action If Obama Does Not Reverse Birth Control Rule
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“In the days ahead, the House will approach this matter fairly and deliberately, through regular order and the appropriate legislative channels,” Boehner said. He called on the Energy & Commerce and Ways & Means committees, which have jurisdiction on the issue, to take steps against the rule, and promised to “consider all possible options” to roll it back.
More right-wing lies and hysteria about the contraception ruling...this time from Boehner...not really a surprise.
- 74 votes
"This attack by the federal government on religious freedom in our country cannot stand, and will not stand."
Oh, I am so sick of hearing this crap. If your religion prohibits birth control, then DON'T @!$%#ING USE IT!
- 86 votes
Oh, I am so sick of hearing this crap. If your religion prohibits birth control, then DON'T @!$%#ING USE IT!
Well, yea. Not to mention…ummm…separation of church and state.
I’m not sure why a public, political employee such as Boehner doesn’t know about such a landmark piece of information nested within our country’s founding documents.
- 40 votes
The thing of it is, Catholic emloyers have been providing birth control coverage for years, now. They are only bringing it up now because the religious right is making its move. If they were so upset about it, why did they wait until now? It's another ploy, and a reason to VOTE EVERYONE OUT who even mentions religion!
- 63 votes
The thing of it is, Catholic emloyers have been providing birth control coverage for years, now.
For YEARS! Not a surprise to anyone even remotely familiar with said employers. And if it is, they probably haven't read a single line of their paperwork upon hiring past the space for their name and address! And if they haven't, it could well be argued they then deserve to be ignorant of this very subject.
But give this latest one a little time, Shelby, once this begins to get disseminated a bit, the more people who learn the realities, this latest protestation of the end of the world as we know it will quickly fade by the wayside just as all the other hollow and false wails have.
But I'm sure it will rear it's ugly head every now and then, just as so many others do, grasping for a foothold among the uniformed at the time.
- 36 votes
“If the president does not reverse the Department’s attack on religious freedom,
Explain to me how this threatens religious freedom? Does the health insurance plan require that people have to use birth control? I mean will you lose coverage unless you are using birth control? Perhaps you will be jailed or get a pay cut if you fail to use birth control? I mean how exactly is religious freedom being denied? Or is this just another right wing distortion of the truth in the name of God? Another right wing fear tactic?
- 51 votes
Cry me a river Mr. Speaker, wait poor choice of words, STFU Mr. Speaker, there that's better.
- 31 votes
Too bad Boner and his posse of asshats don't exhibit the same fervor for their 2010 platform of job creation.
- 34 votes
hard2port, I was thinking the same thing. Boehner sees that the economy is doing better in spite of him and his bunch of Koch bought crooks, so he has to deflect from the lies he told last week about the economy not growing.
- 22 votes
Hi Janice, the teapublicans always pander to religious wackos in general election years because they don't have any accomplishments to run on.
- 17 votes
you mean they are going to pass a 4th law in their entire misbegotten tenure? Miracle of miracles!!! Or status quo push something out of the house they not has no prayer in the senate to distract from what they promised to work on...Jobs. This Catholic is more inspired to vote against these morons, as the majority of women are, the biggest voting block in the country...
- 14 votes
Boehner threatened GOP would guarantee JOBS if Tea Party candidates were elected.
EXPLAIN the States that have had this or similar policies for YEARS.... was Boehner even AWARE of that?
- 17 votes
With everything that is going on in this country...this is what the goverment is working on!?!?
Man we are f@*&ed!!
- 11 votes
Ha, Ha, Ha......that's so funny.....
We all know Boehner hasn't been able to get the OB/GOP to DO ANYTHING this term......
- 8 votes
Hey Jonh, how about dealing with the 'PAYROLL' tax cut FIRST. These Republican 'Slugs' will do anything, to not do their jobs, wont they; other stuff keeps ,conveniently, popping up! No more distractions...JOHNNY!
Come on Jonny, I know it's hard to ramrod a herd of 'Slugs', but that's your job...too.
- 10 votes
@ bontox
Well, yea. Not to mention…ummm…separation of church and state
The most astounding element of this is that some people are actually using the seperation of church and state argument for the exact opposite purpose - they've actually claimed that seperation of church and state prohibits the Administration from applying the law to faith based organizations too.... it's tragically comical.
- 14 votes
Wars are started over Religion
Contraception doesn't start a war.
- 17 votes
Go for it Mr. Boehner. It shouldn't be a problem as long as you can get it through the Senate and override a veto. Of course, you also need to be careful that the President doesn't cave and trigger automatic defense cuts.
- 6 votes
The most astounding element of this is that some people are actually using the seperation of church and state argument for the exact opposite purpose
Exactly...if the administration gave the Catholic Church a permanent exemption, THAT is a violation of the First Amendment, because government is giving preferential treatment to one religion.
- 12 votes
#1.7- Great point, as we all can see, republicans prefer to talk about everything else except how they will help to create jobs, a platform they ran on in 2010 but Boehner has the nerve to ask the President where are the jobs. Well, 3.2 million were created within the past year and 240,000 within the past month. What have republicans done lately for the American people. Now they want to side rale the issue by resurrection cultural issues. They know most of their constituents are alseep at the switch and will fall for this, but the majority of Americans are wide awake and are fully aware, this is not about an assault on religion but protecting a womans right and women's health.... For a catholic who uses contraception and attempts to claim this is against their religion is hypocritical and totally disengenuous....
- 6 votes
Bishop Robert Lynch of St. Petersburg, FL, has written a letter to his flock saying that President Obama's Jan. 20th announcement violates 'separation of church and state' by requiring Catholic institutions and agencies to provide mandatory coverage for contraceptive procedures and medicines. "...causing the assault on freedom of religion..."
Couple of sentences later, he states: "This latest action follows the denial of funding to a respected agency of the church (Migration and Refugee Services)...
So, the Catholic church says that accepting funding from the US government doesn't violate separation of church and state, but having conditions for funding does???
- 14 votes
Now they want to side rale the issue by resurrection cultural issues.
The political miscalculation here is priceless.
The White House is going to stick to its timeline and let Boehner cry and stomp is feet about abortion and taxpayer money to the richest religion in the world, while the payroll tax bills flounder through Congress.
This is Keystone XL pipeline, part II.
I had my doubts, but it's looking more and more like the President has a political hammerlock on the Republicans. The clinch move was the Cordray appointment.
- 13 votes
I don't know about you folks. But I'm not surprised that a guy named Boehner/boner has a beef with contraceptives.
- 6 votes
has any republican bothered to read the bill before passing judgement on it...i see it is patterned after the MASSACHUSETTS law already on the books...has exemptions for churches..if it is based on romney's law in ma he will be embarrased when he starts to tangle with the president..and so will boehner...LAND MINE alert for republicans
- 6 votes
A lot to do about nothing again from the right. This nation is so past that crap and this is where the right wants to act up.
- 6 votes
I really don't get this argument. It seems to me that Obama could turn this around and say the rules Boehner want violate religious freedom.
- 6 votes
It's possible that the White House has set a trap for Republicans, using birth control as a wedge issue. More than likely, however, the White House is surprised by the flair up.
Either way, I think the White House and Democrats should hold the line on this one. Women want access to birth control and they want their health plans to pay for it. It is a rare person who opposes birth control.
If the case is made carefully enough, the Catholic church could find itself painted as wishing to impose its religious rules upon non-Catholics.
- 6 votes
The ACA rule requires them to offer healthcare to their employees that covers birth control, not abortions. They can even avoid this regulation if they can use the exemption clause. While it’s true that the exemption doesn’t cover their hospitals or universities that employ non-Catholics, many catholic universities & hospitals already offer this coverage.
This coverage is already required in 28 states, and 8 of those states don’t have an exemption clause. So this law is better than those 8 state requirements. They want to tell other people how live, but they don’t want to be told how to treat others by the gov’t. And Boehner thinks the Catholic Church should get a free pass on this, but not others? How does he think such a biased law will stand?
- 7 votes
The republicans know about the separation of church and state they just don't care about it because they place doing the bidding of the fundamentalist religionists over the constitution and the rights of everyone else in the county. The last thing they want is to have the fundies mad at them and then vote them out of office.
- 3 votes
Johny cry some more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IbhimS5XdQ
Repubs mad as hell. This is great stuff. Trip to crazy land.
- 3 votes
If the case is made carefully enough, the Catholic church could find itself painted as wishing to impose its religious rules upon non-Catholics.
exactly right, Gulliver. and I might add, they take federal monies as well, so if no compliance, no fed money. Fair?
- 9 votes
Oh, I am so sick of hearing this crap. If your religion prohibits birth control, then DON'T @!$%#ING USE IT!
I tried to recommend this, and then saw I'd recommended it already, and I would just like to say, I strenuously recommend this opinion. Exponentially.
- 9 votes
It's amazing the fights that Boner and the repugs try to pick. SO many more bigger, more important issues to cover in this country, and they're worried about some line item in health insurance. Go help fix the economy, jobs, world peace, whatever, but stay out of America's bedrooms and personal lives.
- 6 votes
"In the days ahead, the House will approach this matter fairly and deliberately, through regular order and the appropriate legislative channels"
That will be a first for them.
- 3 votes
and nothing will change. If he truly thought this was a constitutional issue, you go to the court. Is he suggesting that he will try to pass legislation to place the catholic church above the law of the land?
- 4 votes
Boy did he step on a hornets nest........This will require him to personally act. This issue will not be able to be defused and deflected by his press corps.
LMAO.....Nancy said we would have to pass the Bill to find out what was in it........for once she was not lying. The 15 member "independent appointed"review committees start up soon also......more to come......more right go away with them. Where is the ACLU on this issue.......
- 5 votes
LMAO.....
People who put LMAO in every other comment tend to wind up on ignore lists.
- 4 votes
It still seem a lot to do about thing. The church and the republican party have made this a big issue when it is nothing new. Most older churches already offer these services.
- 5 votes
'Boner' and 'threatening legislative action',all in the same sentence? Must be a biggie.
- 7 votes
They will lose. It has already been challenged on the state level, and been upheld. This is just more showmanship & grandstanding.
- 2 votes
Mr Boehner- How many JOBS will your fight over birth control create?
Isn't that what you campaigned on? Jobs? Isn't that why people elected you? Jobs? I don't see how this fight over birth control will help anyone in America find a job. Unless, of course, you're a lobbyist.
- 3 votes
"threatening legislative action"
Stay tuned folks....the house is gonna actually do something. Oh wait, sorry, just another mistake by the Republicans.
They are going to fall big on this. Eventually the courts will agree that they get no exemptions. The Repeated mistakes of the Republicans is starting to show...Auto bailout? Hell NO! Big mistake. Jobs bills? Big mistake. Stimulus worked....ooops. Employment is on a steady rise...Despite the efforts to kill anything. Now Obama baits the right with the birth control issue....
This won't end up being about the church. Obama's going to show millions of female voters exactly what the right has in store for them.
- 4 votes
Isn't it ironic, don't ya think? All the hand wringing over this when republicans have been sticking their noses in people's private lives for years with no concern for the constitution.
- 6 votes
Boehner Threatens Legislative Action If Obama Does Not Reverse Birth Control Rule
Just give this dewsh boner his walking papers. It's not about Boner and his so called moral beliefs that he's lacking in in the first place, it's protecting the people's rights in what they want and want to do, and religion nor politicians such as Bonehead should not have the right to deprive women their right to abortions or not.
get the fudge outta dodge Boner. you are no longer welcomed here in America.
REVOLUTION 2012, and TAX all these gd church and religions or shut them all the f*** down.
- 3 votes
It should be clear by now that John Boehner simply does not care about religious freedom ... he just sees this as another political football to toss around.
- 35 votes
#2 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 12:47 PM ESTThis who don't want to use birth control don't have to use it. Government money is not used to fund abortions, and many fewer abortions would take place if people had an availability of birth control they could afford. This is just more of this ultra right wing malarkey. I can't believe that Rick Santorum just took 3 states. He believes that sex is for the creation of children.
They ran on jobs, and have done everything but.....do they not know that everyone in the country doesn't hold this radical view, or is it just one more game to try and paralyze President Obama from success.
- 35 votes
#3 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 12:49 PM ESTWell, they can't run on the economy - it's improving. They can't run on jobs (well, they could but won't....it would help the economy), so what are they left with? All of this malarky on religion and rights is pure crap meant to deflect from anything meaningful. Trouble is, they are really striking a chord with women who will take it to the voting booth.
98% of Catholic women use birth control. You're going to make them pay out of pocket? Fine. Deny the little blue pills men love so much and make them pay through the nose!
- 26 votes
I like that Shelby. No boner pills for Boner supporters. Pretty catchy.
- 14 votes
#3- Santorums victories was more of a rebuttal of Romney than overwhelming support of Santorum. Frankly I'm glad someone other than Romney won because Romney thinks he is a sure bet. He continues to blast the President as if he has the nomination in the bag, and he never offers any solutions other than he will fix it. It amazes me how people fall for this BS.... The killer for me is when he accuses the President of appeasement with Israel's enemies. I remember when the palestinians were trying to be recognized as a state in the UN and President Obama and Israel stood together to block that resolution, BeBe Netanyahu of Israel stated the Presidents actions is considered as a badge of honor regarding Israel, and yet these republican candidates accues the President of appeasement... Total BS, and people applaud those lies..... That is the true sad thing about it. You may not like the President but you will support a candidate who will lie to you as if you are stupid??? Truly sad....
- 5 votes
You may not like the President but you will support a candidate who will lie to you as if you are stupid??? Truly sad....
ah, but those are lies they can live with ;)
- 6 votes
Rick Santorum's wife has had an abortion.
Typical reich-wing hypocricy.
- 1 vote
Boner is a classic opportunist. This is a issue that makes no sense.
First in a time like these a pregnancy can be unwelcome. Why not provide birth control for the next generation for their security.
It appears to me that the people who are opposing this are being backed into a corner on their religious believes.
Second it never seems to fail that anything the president attempts is met with opposition.
- 20 votes
#4 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 12:54 PM ESTI mean really, insurance covers Viagra, but that doesn't mean every man has to buy Viagra. These Repbulicans aren't man enough to stand up for 'man' issues, so they pick on women. Hasn't this crap gone on forever?? don't anyone get tired of beating this dead horse?? Pretty soon, if the right had their way, women won't be able to vote. If men are so concerned about their DNA once it leaves their body, they should all be required to wear a chastity belt. Like so many men that don't want to be responsible when they deposit in the wrong bank, but when it comes to making a foo-foo-rah in politics, oh my, we all seem to care. Give me a break from all the political BS.
- 15 votes
The reason this issue makes sense is that any form of preventing conception during intercourse is unacceptable by the Catholic Church. The issue is that under the Health Care Reform Bill Catholic Universities and private Catholic schools will be forced to pay for birth control for its employees. Pretty difficult for the Catholic community to preach against birth control but then offer it in their insurance plan. Not to mention it violates their religion. I mean, America can allow veils worn on a Driver's Liscense photo for religious reasons, but we can't allow Catholics to opt out of paying for birth control? It's nonsense and IS an issue.
- 1 vote
except catholic schools and hospitals across the country have been providing this coverage FOR YEARS!! It is not an issue.
- 5 votes
Boehner derailment is all it amounts to. There are a lot of people that have a huge chip on their shoulders for the Catholic Church and Boehner has just managed to make that chip and full grown tree.
- 4 votes
Pretty difficult for the Catholic community to preach against birth control but then offer it in their insurance plan. Not to mention it violates their religion.
It doesn't violate their religion so much that they didn't put nuns on birth control when they were sent into the war in Kosovo where the armies were committing mass rape. Oh, but they continued to tell the women of Kosovo they couldn't use birth control even though they were the targets of genocidal rape.
It doesn't violate their religion so much that they didn't force nuns raped and impregnated by priests to have abortions. Oh, while they were telling all other women they cannot have abortions and were excommunicating those who allowed abortions to save the lives of women and little girls as young as ten who were victims of rape.
Here's the bottom line to their "religion": they believe they have the right to control women and our reproductive options because women are only here to be used and abused by men.
Women have long ago rejected their attempts to force us back into sexual and reproductive slavery. Congress should not aid and abet their efforts.
- 3 votes
In December 2000, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission ruled that companies that provided prescription drugs to their employees but didn't provide birth control were in violation of Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, which prevents discrimination on the basis of sex.
- 5 votes
Wouldn't Obama have to sign this proposed legislation?
- 23 votes
#5 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 1:08 PM ESTSure is good to know Boehner will be focusing on quality bipartisan legislation like this that has a snowballs chance in Hell of becoming law and isn't wasting his time grandstanding for the knuckle-draggers. <s>
A fine example of everything that is wrong with politics. Sigh.
- 16 votes
The butt wipe will probably try to attach to the payroll tax cut.
- 15 votes
Yes, Obama would have to sign it. And I'd really like to know, boner, how many jobs exactly is this legislation going to create?? Didn't you say you were going to be all about jobs if you were elected? Yeah, right. Stupid wanker.
This whole religious freedom crap is really getting old. Do these morons really think that most Americans don't see how they are really pandering to the lowest common denominator among us? It's really getting to be embarrassing to watch them simper and beg for attention. Here's a way to get attention: DO SOMETHING USEFUL FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!! If you're not going to do that, then please just sit down, shut up and get out of the way. The rest of us are trying to get something done and you're just in the way and you're just a part of the problem.
- 19 votes
Ha ha... havent seen the term buttwipe in years... love it...
- 8 votes
Buttwipe and Boehner seem to go together just like boo and hoo
- 8 votes
I'm just going to try to refrain from giggling everytime I read that word... ^_^
- 3 votes
Unfortunately, if the healthcare measure exempts coverage of contraception, it must exempt it for all employers or it will be discriminatory. Unless all providers (read for-profit insurance companies) are treated equally they will contest this. The people may want coverage all day long but the companies have the clout to win.
- 19 votes
#6 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 1:23 PM ESTWhich makes you wonder if it isn't really insurance company greed behind all of this. After years of providing contraceptive coverage (including for many Catholic organizations, like, say Georgetown University) they can whip up the Catholics to get them out of having to provide this valuable (but expensive) coverage. Of course, then, they'll be hit with an increased number of maternity health care claims...
- 28 votes
Why do I get the nagging feeling that "fertile" is about to become pre existing condition?
- 12 votes
Which makes you wonder if it isn't really insurance company greed behind all of this.
I've been thinking this is the case too.
- 7 votes
Good point. I wonder: how big a business is contraception? (How big an out of pocket expense would it be if it were not covered).
- 4 votes
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- 9 votes
Just make birth all control methods free to all women including free condoms . Leave the silly religious to what they dictate and provide women with their needs and wants when it comes to birth control.
Boehner and is lot are just wasting time and mucking up everything that they possibly can. I think the religious right will mess their pants if they no longer have a voice on the subject.
- 10 votes
great information, loretta, for folks who are screaming that it's not that expensive.
- 10 votes
I'm watching a debate between a woman's rights representative and a Catholic representative on this issue.
He's arguing that the Catholic church should be exempted because they'll have to shut down their charities. He's making a big deal out of all the women that would harm.
Ummm....Catholic charities uses taxpayer money. We've seen this fight before over gay adoption.
So they're going to stop using taxpayer money to help women if they have to allow women to obtain health insurance that provides birth control? Even though birth control improves women's lives, prevents certain diseases from disabling them and helps them regulate their careers so they do not need charity?
It's hypocrisy at its finest.
- 11 votes
I really think we shouldn't call it birth control but "hormone regulation pill". Maybe then they can grab a clue on the many uses for the BC pill. It's a mouth full, but so is sitting around explaining what the various brands of that pill can do for women. and explaining it over and over and over.. well you get the idea.
- 2 votes
It's a mouth full, but so is sitting around explaining what the various brands of that pill can do for women.
Exactly...it's a medical treatment for many, many things, one of which is contraception...and it's nobody's business what a woman uses it for.
- 5 votes
3rdtime
Why do I get the nagging feeling that "fertile" is about to become pre existing condition?
It already IS a pre-existing condition to the insurance companies. In many states women pay MORE for the same insurance that men get. To insurance companies, pregnancy, having had a C Section at any time, and being the victim of domestic violence are ALL considered pre-existing conditions for which they can deny coverage.
- 4 votes
I find the battle over this is just insane. Seeing comments that spin in the excuse of "free sexual activity" if one has access to the BC pill says to me that is all some people can think about. It was one heck of a shock to my daughter and I, when at that age of 12 we had to put her on the pill for constant bleeding. Her periods didn't stop but for maybe a day. She was really shocked and rather sad that she would have to use the pill. It was real hard to explain to her dad the reason for it and not have him thinking I was giving her consent for sexual activity.
I am greatfull for what it has done for her. It has taken almost 2 years but we are hoping that her hormones are now under control and I must say having insurence for those things helps, boy is that stuff spendy. My one real complaint, the insurence company kept changing their stance on the availiability of the prescription. When we started we got a 3 month supply, then it was only one at a time. (this gets tough when your working live out in the country and have to try to hit the pharmacy at operating hours.) I couldn't even get an ok to get a few months ahead for the time she was visiting her father for the summer. So, some extra paper work to swap pharmacys for 2 months and back again. It really shouldn't be that hard.
- 2 votes
It really shouldn't be that hard.
Exactly...so while the Obama administration is trying to make this type of medical situation easier and more affordable for families like yours, some people are trying to spin this as a "morality" issue. It is ridiculous.
- 2 votes
Some day our fair state will only be subjected to this clown by his name hanging from a rusting signpost down some lonely backwood farm road.
some day.....some day.....
- 18 votes
#7 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 1:40 PM ESTComing from a state whose gifts to the nation include McCain and Kyl I so feel your pain, Augur. Hey…maybe at least we will soon see John get kicked out of the Speakership? Not as good as seeing him voted out of office, but still…
- 17 votes
So true, bontox, but other gifts include Zane Gray, Ambrose Bierce, Doris Day, Bobby Rahal, Roger Staubach, Nancy Cartwright (Bart Simpson) the Wright Brothers, and many more, much like any other state can claim their own good, bad, and ugly. (*grin!*) It's just these days, our ugly is what's getting all the headlines! LOL!
Boehner has his teaparty fundamentalist from that part of the state, and they're welcome to him. Being Speaker, well, the right side of the aisle put him there, I hope they're happy with him. Not many others are. Obviously. Personally, I think he's doing a bang-up job, representing the sheer stupidity of their positions of today.
sarc/!
- 2 votes
Funny how the RCC doesn't object to the bill in Congress that would give permission to hospitals to allow women to die if they need an abortion. Oh, I forgot. That's backed by the same bishops who are screaming about women being able to get birth control using health insurance.
It's all about trying to force women into being broodmares, thus unable to control and define their own future.
These pervserse old men will never have to make a tough decision concerning pregnancy and will never stop allowing their sexual predator priests to rape women and little children.Their opinion should not even be heard in the public domain until they've cleaned out the evil among their ranks.
- 32 votes
#8 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 1:55 PM ESTAm I Blue? Am I blue? Ain't these tears in these eyes telling you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwk2m0wMFPo&feature=fvst
FR gladly accepted
- 10 votes
These GOP have nothing better to do, so they focus on this:
Health contraception is an option just like people choose their own health plant, therefore, this is not a mandatory per se. For GOP and conservative to convert this into political issue is a shame; when you have GOP rooting for American economy to fail, rooting for American workers to fail, so they can unseat President’s Obama in November. Thus, it’s clearly that GOP and conservative party have being betrayed American and American workers spirit to success in this country and around the world.
Why is it ok for church to tell their employee what to do with their insurance, but against government supporting women right in their health prevention, when church get tax exemption from government to begin with? Why can’t church give their employee an option to choose, since this is an option for women right to choose for their health prevention? Isn't freedom to choose your health option and right for women health and is what conservative wants?
Here is a few good quote:
For the first time in a long time, our nation is talking about women's health, ... but unfortunately, too much of it isn't really about women's health. It is politics disguised as women's health," Mikulski said.
Susan Wood, a health professor at George Washington University's Jacobs Institute of Women's Health who backs birth control, said religious groups should have no more control over what employees do with their insurance than with their salaries.
- 9 votes
Susan Wood, a health professor at George Washington University's Jacobs Institute of Women's Health who backs birth control, said religious groups should have no more control over what employees do with their insurance than with their salaries
oooo... good point...
- 11 votes
Maybe, if only we could, arrange a huge "sex out" much like a sit out and not allow any of these anit-______— to have sex and suffer we could get the point accross on their very level of thinking, "i don't want to have kids therefor I won't have sex." Could possibly throw in any other form of adult pleasure by saying it's a sin and hence it will not be performed.
Then maybe they can gather a clue that sex between couples is not only for breeding but an enjoyable act.
- 3 votes
Funny how the RCC doesn't object to the bill in Congress that would give permission to hospitals to allow women to die if they need an abortion.
Hell, that's nothing. In Topeka, KS, the GOTP has decriminalized domestic violence. Nothing says "family values" like legalizing smacking around the mother of your kids! /s
In Kansas, the GOTP are also trying to pass a bill that allows doctors to lie or withhold information to patients seeking information about abortion, and protects them from lawsuits if any injuries occur because of those lies. Because nothing says "morality" like a deliberate lie! /s
- 5 votes
These men are sick deviants. It's scary to realize their sexual perversities and misogyny are what gets them elected.
- 3 votes
I wish everytime there was a partisan circus coming to town that it brought jobs with it... and I dont mean those political trash talking idiots on TV jobs either...
*sigh*
- 12 votes
#11 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 2:34 PM ESTCongress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Congress can't establish or restrict religion, so I can't see how Boehner's threat could be Constitutional.
Just thinking out loud here.
Once these religion-based entities set up a business, they cross over into the commerce sphere. They can't do anything to restrict commerce, either. Congress can't restrict commerce based on some particular religion's tenets. Adherents of a religion can choose not to use birth control and that's free exercise of their religion. But a business, run by religious people can't possibly have the same protections and freedoms, can it? Especially when that business services non-believing customers? Then there's state interest. Certainly birth control use cuts down on expenses to the state, which would mean limiting birth control access would harm state interest.
I don't think a law restricting birth control being made available to employees of a particular business will be held Constitutional.
- 14 votes
#12 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 2:41 PM ESTI agree. This is just absurd. The choice that their religion dictates they make is that they don't TAKE birth control. Birth control is widely available, whether the person is covered by insurance or not. They are already making the choice to not use it. So how about STFU and continue not taking it, while those of us with the good sense to not have unwanted pregnancies use the birth control and get on with our lives?
- 5 votes
I wonder how many of the wives, daughters, and mothers of these jokers have taken birth control or exercised the rhythm method to avoid pregnancy. Boy, that little piece of information could just turn this whole discussion right on its head.
- 5 votes
Skeptic,
I really wouldn't be suprised at all to find a good number does/has and their spouses never knew. With the ancient mindset rolling around knowing anything about a women's body and using old phrases like "her time of the month" and "women issue" would certianly tell me they have no clue about their partners and could easily not notice that some form of birth control is being used. That whole Blind Ignorace thing.
sorry still a bit early and getting my thoughts in a nice flowing motion is slow this morning.
- 3 votes
The Town Crier is upset that contraceptives will prevent births. That means that the abortion issue goes down the toilet. He doesn't want the abortion issue to go away. That's probably why the GOP hates gays. Because they can't have abortions.
These wedge issues are really slowing down progress. Sorry, I forgot. That's their plan.
- 14 votes
#13 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 2:51 PM ESTWow, John Boeher is threatening to actually do his job? That sounds like an empty threat to me...he hasn't shown any ability to pass gas, let alone legislation out of his house.
- 7 votes
#15 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 3:08 PM ESTBoehner Threatens Legislative Action If Obama Does Not Reverse Birth Control Rule
Obama stump speech: "Our country needs more jobs and a responsible plan to balance the budget. And what are the Republicans on Capitol Hill talking about? Birth control!"
Obama's reelection campaign is almost writing itself.
- 13 votes
#16 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 3:12 PM ESTas well as most of the material for SNL and the late night talk show hosts. Makes me sad for the writers, even their jobs are threatened by this party, what with the complete lack of need of having to think up the material and all. /s
- 3 votes
Boehner and the GOP proving once again that they are focused like a laser on the main issue facing most Americans today - Employment and Jobs.
Oh....nevermind!
These chumps are history if they keep this up.
- 10 votes
#18 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 3:22 PM ESTI swear Boehner only does work when he absolutely has to.
I pictured him in his office doing Darth Vader impersonations into the electric fan ala Tommy Boy when McConnell calls to tell him to make another speech about Obama being bad.
This Congress is an absolute sh*thole.
- 11 votes
#19 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 3:32 PM ESTThis is not an attack on religious freedom----the Republicans keep crying wolf on every issue of our day, and now NO ONE believes anything they say.
Republicans, get over this abortion, birth control BS --- we are adults, if we don't want to use birth control we won't, you don't have to protect us, WE DON"T WANT YOUR BRAND OF PROTECTION! And get the hell out of our bedrooms for Christ's sake! And stop using this crap to attack the President--it makes you look like complete asinine fools!
- 9 votes
#20 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 3:36 PM ESTYour attack is on Republicans, but the same could be said for Democrats.
How about if we skip the bipartisan crap, and stop giving power to two political parties.
- 1 vote
..but the same could be said for Democrats.
On this issue? Not even close.
- 4 votes
The exact text of the health care bill dealing with this should be voted on by Congress. Let the people we elect stand up and be heard.
#21 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 3:38 PM ESTThe exact text of the health care bill dealing with this should be voted on by Congress.
IT HAS BEEN!
How the hell do you think bills pass from the legislative branch to the executive, by fiat?
- 12 votes
As a taxpayer I oppose, as a matter of conscience, that I must contribute toward John Boehner's health insurance. He chooses to smoke, knowing that it is a major cause of death. He violates his own moral teachings, as a Catholic, to respect the human body as the temple of the Holy Spirit. Yet, I must pay my taxes, knowing that a part of my tax money subsides his health care, even though he willfully violates his own moral teachings as well as my religious belief that smoking is immoral.
- 14 votes
#22 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 3:40 PM ESTLets not forget more than a few Martini's and the tanning booth, which is an excellent combo for future melonoma!
- 10 votes
John Boehner keeps trying to act like a Knight in Shining armor, but he comes off more like the Tin Man.
- 6 votes
#23 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 3:41 PM ESTScrap metal would be a better description than the Tin Man ... although scrap metal does have some value in recycling....
- 1 vote
Mr. Boehner don't bother me with your personal religious beliefs - Where are the jobs???
- 7 votes
#24 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 3:57 PM ESTMany Catholic colleges have purchased insurance plans that provide contraception benefits:
University of Scranton, appears to specifically cover contraception. The University of San Francisco offers employees two health plans, both of which cover abortion, contraception and sterilization…Also problematic is the Jesuit University of Scranton. One of its health insurance plans, the First Priority HMO, lists a benefit of “contraceptives when used for the purpose of birth control.”
DePaul University in Chicago covers birth control in both its fully insured HMO plan and its self-insured PPO plan and excludes “elective abortion,” said spokesman John Holden, adding that the 1,800 employee-university responded to a complaint from the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission several years ago and added artificial contraception as a benefit to its Blue Cross PPO.
Christian Brothers University in Memphis, Tenn., offers employee health insurance via the Tennessee Independent Colleges and Universities Association, a consortium of Christian Bible and other private college and universities
Boston College, the six former Caritas Christi Catholic hospitals in Massachusetts, and other Catholic organizations that are located in one of the 28 states that already require employers to provide contraception benefits could have self-insured or stopped offering prescription drug coverage to avoid the mandate — but didn’t do so. Instead, they — like many Catholic hospitals and health care insurers around the country — chose to meet the needs of the overwhelming majority of Catholic women and offer these much needed services.
So why all the outrage now especially since it's already been going on? Just more phony outrage. Oh well, I guess Republicans love fighting losing battles. 98% of catholic women already use contraceptives and many are organizing to support the President. Good I hope Boehner makes good on his threat and lose another segment of their voters.
- 11 votes
#25 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 4:04 PM ESTSo why all the outrage now especially since it's already been going on?
The "outrage" is about the co-pay. So...their thinking is that if women can get birth control without a co-pay, the institutions are "paying for birth control". But, I guess they forget about that it doesn't matter if there is a co-pay or not, the institution STILL pays toward the premium. So...really...a bull@!$%#, lame-ass argument from the GOP. Let's just call it what it is - an attack on the rights of women to control their own reproduction. "Attack on religion" my ass.
- 10 votes
It isn't an attack on the rights of women to control their own reproduction.. whether or not the bill changes, those women will still have the right to control their own reproduction. In one case, they don't have to pay, in the other, they do.
Honestly. The outrage here is that the bill oversteps it's bounds by FORCING a religion to do something it advocates against. It doesn't matter if 'most catholics already use contraceptives'. Regardless of the hypocrites, what matters is that it's wrong to force a regulation on a religion's belief that causes no harm to others.
- 1 vote
swakerman: This bill forces nothing on religion. What it DOES do is force BUSINESSES with religious affiliations to offer birth control on their healthcare plans. Since hospitals and colleges get TAXPAYER money in the form of research grants, etc., from our government, they should also have to play by the same rules as every other BUSINESS.
I say if the GOTP forces this and gets their way (Obama will never sign it, nor will it EVER pass the Senate), that those schools and hospitals immediately be excluded from ALL grants (including medicare/medicaid payments) from our government. They get to play by the rules of every other business, or they don't get our tax money to help them survive. No more should they get to reap the benefits without paying any of the costs.
Besides, there are some people that such an exemption DOES hurt. Pregnancy is VERY hard on the body. Some women, no matter what they may want, can not physically handle pregnancy. So THEY are hurt if they can't get birth control ... which can be VERY expensive, regardless of what you may want to believe.
- 6 votes
all things considered all this does for Obama is lose him a lot of catholic votes that he got in 2008 because no matter how they may personally feel about the issue one thing they will be solidly against is the government mandating their religion to go against its beliefs.
- 3 votes
#26 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 4:07 PM ESTI doubt it. Catholic women are just like other women. They want the right to control their reproductive choices and are angry that they have to pay for birth control while health insurance covers Viagra.
Discrimination against women is going to be a hot issue for all women in this election. It's beyond time that our values and needs be put at the forefront instead of catering to a bunch of misogynists who refuse to recognize women as equal and worthy humans.
- 23 votes
I doubt there are that many Catholics who wholeheartedly embrace the Church's official teaching on contraception.
- 15 votes
all things considered all this does for Obama is lose him a lot of catholic votes that he got in 2008 because no matter how they may personally feel about the issue one thing they will be solidly against is the government mandating their religion to go against its beliefs.
Doubtful. There's a massive disconnect between the Bishops raising hell right now, and the vast majority of Catholics. 98% of Catholic women surveyed use(d) birth control.
The "Government intrusion" angle would play better than the 'religious morals' angle, but the Bishops are forced into the religious angle by default.
- 11 votes
Exploiting religious divides has long been one of the ways conservatives seek to win over working-class voters, whom they otherwise don't seem to care about. Abortion, gay rights and religious education become wedge issues for politicians. Most People are just not falling for or going along with their old divide and conquer tactics. To bad the Catholic leaders are choosing to engage with their tactics especially when Catholic hospitals and health care insurers around the country — chose to meet the needs of the overwhelming majority of Catholic women and already offer these much needed services.
- 8 votes
Discrimination against women is going to be a hot issue for all women in this election.
That is exactly right. And the GOP better remember that more women than men voted in 2008.
- 10 votes
And the GOP better remember that more women than men voted in 2008.
Really? No wonder President Obama won...the smart people turned out to vote! heehee j/k :)
- 15 votes
"98% of Catholics admit to using birth control"
I hope 100% of those pedophilia prone priest used protection too...this is a classic example of when, some times, people need protection from religion...
To all the many denominations; your dogma stops with my best interest of my health and welfare. I put this debate right up there with recent court cases, where children died, because their parents denied them available medical care...and those dreaded snake handler holy men...
- 8 votes
The sexual abuse by priests and nuns wrought on the Native American children and perish children ought to get a few angry people coming out to speak out on this debacle. I think the Catholic Church has opened a huge can of worms.
I wish my friend had to nerve to speak out about the many abortions she had before abortion was legal and the father of all the fetuses was a "Father" in the Catholic Church and he began a long time sexual relationship with her when she was all of 14. She was so afraid to break away due to the threats he made to her and she was so naive about the religion, his power and afraid her parents would disown her he had a ticket to ride, so to speak.
- 7 votes
It's still going on. A few years ago, a report was issued by nuns who were horrified that priests in 23 countries thought it was their right to rape them. Those who got pregnant were forced to have an abortion. One nun died from the abortion. Her rapist was allowed to preside over her funeral. The nuns who complained were forced out of their orders and left on the street.
- 10 votes
I do remember reading something about this debacle, Loretta. It makes me so mad to think these hypocrites can have the gall to speak out when they are the worst of the worst offenders.
- 8 votes
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