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Obama Uses His State Of The Union To Obliterate Everything The GOP Stands For

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President Obama used his State Of The Union address tonight to literally shatter everything the Republican Party claims to stand for.

President Obama first discussed fairness early in his address, “The defining issue of our time is how to keep that promise alive. No challenge is more urgent. No debate is more important. We can either settle for a country where a shrinking number of people do really well, while a growing number of Americans barely get by. Or we can restore an economy where everyone gets a fair shot, everyone does their fair share, and everyone plays by the same set of rules. What’s at stake are not Democratic values or Republican values, but American values. We have to reclaim them.”

The president later discussed what caused the 2008 economic collapse, and how the economy has recovered,

Those are the facts. But so are these. In the last 22 months, businesses have created more than three million jobs. Last year, they created the most jobs since 2005. American manufacturers are hiring again, creating jobs for the first time since the late 1990s. Together, we’ve agreed to cut the deficit by more than $2 trillion. And we’ve put in place new rules to hold Wall Street accountable, so a crisis like that never happens again.

The state of our Union is getting stronger. And we’ve come too far to turn back now. As long as I’m President, I will work with anyone in this chamber to build on this momentum. But I intend to fight obstruction with action, and I will oppose any effort to return to the very same policies that brought on this economic crisis in the first place.

No, we will not go back to an economy weakened by outsourcing, bad debt, and phony financial profits. Tonight, I want to speak about how we move forward, and lay out a blueprint for an economy that’s built to last – an economy built on American manufacturing, American energy, skills for American workers, and a renewal of American values.

Obama also took a jab at Mitt Romney for opposing the auto bailout, “On the day I took office, our auto industry was on the verge of collapse. Some even said we should let it die. With a million jobs at stake, I refused to let that happen. In exchange for help, we demanded responsibility. We got workers and automakers to settle their differences. We got the industry to retool and restructure. Today, General Motors is back on top as the world’s number one automaker. Chrysler has grown faster in the U.S. than any major car company. Ford is investing billions in U.S. plants and factories. And together, the entire industry added nearly 160,000 jobs. We bet on American workers. We bet on American ingenuity. And tonight, the American auto industry is back.”

After outlining his plans for manufacturing, reforming the tax code, energy and education, President Obama demanded that the rich pay their fair share, “Right now, we’re poised to spend nearly $1 trillion more on what was supposed to be a temporary tax break for the wealthiest 2 percent of Americans. Right now, because of loopholes and shelters in the tax code, a quarter of all millionaires pay lower tax rates than millions of middle-class households. Right now, Warren Buffett pays a lower tax rate than his secretary.

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redsfan

Obama’s address laid out his plan and vision for the future of America. While his potential Republican opponent bash and smear, this president charted a course for the future. Nothing on his agenda was radical. Much of it was downright practical. This was a very moderate State Of The Union address. As the Republican Party continues its trek right into oblivion President Obama is not only occupying the middle, he owns it. New polling has revealed that the president has regained his popularity with moderates and Independents, and this SOTU made it easy to see why.

Once again, President Obama shows class, intelligence and commitment to ALL the American people. I am so proud that he is our President!

  • 138 votes
#1 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:44 PM EST
ERich-356044

You would have thought I was watching the superbowl... I was hollerin and applauding every five minutes! (either that or an awesome sermon.... I kept shouting AMEN!!!)

He did show class, and in a classy way slapped those GOPers silly!

Gotta admit... best moment ever.... Obama mentioned the 13 stripes on the flag, and Biden AND Boehner looked a bit confused for a second.... as if to mentally count the flags. Then they relaxed when they figured he was right.

  • 106 votes
#1.1 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:49 PM EST
redsfan

Ha! I'll bet Biden and Boehner's brains both work at about half speed of President Obama's.

  • 61 votes
#1.2 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:54 PM EST
ERich-356044

Yep!!

I loved the POTUS line in the beginning... "I will fight obstruction with action..."

WTG Mr. President!

  • 85 votes
#1.3 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:56 PM EST
redsfan

No more waiting for bipartisanship and compromise from the ridiculous Tea Party Republicans...it's time to get something done and President Obama knows it!

  • 76 votes
#1.4 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:59 PM EST
DEATHNELL J.

redsfan, I "can't" top your #1 post! Couldn't agree more!

  • 62 votes
#1.5 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:44 PM EST
Arlene Tognetti

Agreed, redsfan

President Obama knocked it out of the ball park!

Great speech, and President O will take action

  • 60 votes
#1.6 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:04 AM EST
82AllAmericans

...you know how it feels when you're driving... and you have to pee, how uncomfortable that feels and you can't relax and you can't wait to "get there"... yeah, that's how Eric Cantor looked.

  • 72 votes
#1.7 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:13 AM EST
Tink-2285193

Yes, and Mitch Daniels, who gave the GOPTeaBag follow-up speech to the SOTU address, was totally disgusting in the lies he told. The records that he refuted were total lies, ans they had nothing of any real value to counter the truth with.

The GOPTeaBags are so desperate to win, that they are willing to go to the bottom of the barrel and tell the biggest lies possible in order to try to disparage Obama. But, only their base supporters will believe them, and of course, Fox will pick them up and give them extended life. However, even the Republicans who are still able to think rather rationally are turning away from the radical and fanatical extremism of the GOPTeaBags and not buying into the lies, or the party agenda.They have nothing of merit to really run on, so they must lie and misrepresent as much as possible to try and fool the people again. But, most of the people of America are not buying it this time. While they may not be as agreeable with Obama, they are surely not going to let themselves be suckered and burned by the GOPTeaBags again.

  • 75 votes
#1.8 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:13 AM EST
MJL-3

Great Speech

Loved it

I have kept saying the best was yet to come and there is more to come, Obama isn't done yet, This is going to get very interesting, He is basically saying to the GOP @!$%# or get of the pot and move out of the way.

What was pathetic was, the GOP having to speak after the President and spin their spin, GOD I just can't stand ANY of the GOP .

OBAMA 2012!!!!!

OBAMA 2012!!!!!

  • 82 votes
#1.9 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:24 AM EST
SAtownMytown

Redsfan; Post #1

^^^ Agree. 100%

  • 46 votes
#1.10 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:30 AM EST
MJL-3

Redsfan Yes great post

Once again, President Obama shows class, intelligence and commitment to ALL the American people. I am so proud that he is our President!

and he will be president in 2012!

  • 42 votes
#1.11 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:32 AM EST
GA Girl-718836

Obama left them without a platform and without any ideas. All they left is doom and gloom and obstructionism. The two items that will take the Republicans do defeat in 2012.

  • 52 votes
#1.12 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:43 AM EST
Silvaria

Predictably, the right are already waving the "socialism" card with regards to Obama's concerns about how so few are doing well in this country while so many are struggling just to keep a roof over their heads...the lack of compassion from some conservatives is very, very sad to me, as an American.

  • 50 votes
#1.13 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:14 AM EST
Heavy Artillery Rocker

Well now, that wasn't very hard now, was it?

Poor Boehner couldn't sit still.

  • 33 votes
#1.14 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 2:09 AM EST
GA GUY

The President's STOU...Priceless...

The looks on the faces of McConnell, Boehner, Cantor, and McCain...year old dill pickle left in the sun before serving...

The President needs and deserves an engaged and committed Congressional body to work with...

Let's get to work!

Obama 2012!!

  • 53 votes
#1.15 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 2:37 AM EST
MarkD-555

We need an America where the top 30 companies don't spend more on lobbying than they do paying federal taxes.

Between 2008 And 2010, 30 Big Corporations Spent More Lobbying Washington Than They Paid In Income Taxes

We the people Corporations of the United States, in order to form own a more perfect Union place to locate our home offices with no actual US workers, hereby purchase these politicians to enact the laws that we write to govern our own conduct with.

  • 52 votes
#1.16 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 2:57 AM EST
Ms CYPRAH

Once again, President Obama shows class, intelligence and commitment to ALL the American people. I am so proud that he is our President!

You can say that again!! Brilliant speech from a class act.

i cannot wait to see how the Republicans respond over the next few months because they have been challenged!

Great seed! :o)

  • 41 votes
#1.17 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:14 AM EST
Happily BLUE in Ohio

But there is no joy in Mudville — mighty Casey has struck out.

Yep the President hit it out of the ballpark last night!

Just for funnsies, check out some of the RWNJ seeds. They are absolutely grasping at straws to criticize the President. I know it's tough to acknowledge--so early in the game--that President Obama will have four more years to improve our nation, but those foolhardy rethuglicons in Mudville are still spinning some tales...

  • 42 votes
#1.18 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:23 AM EST
Wizeguy

I voted every comment above UP....what a blast he gave it to them good...now thats how we strong arm slugs the Chicago way.

I loved it he told Congress to get off their 8 to 12 % approval rating asses and get something done. But they will send him bills loaded with deregualtion and say it's a jobs bill.

As usual they will demand more cuts to social programs to keep the middle class tax break and hold fast on keeping tax increases for the wealhy...they will do more than piss down our legs and tell us it's raining their aim will be much higher...

  • 35 votes
#1.19 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:56 AM EST
Oiled PelicanExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Here I am, a dog in the woods I guess, but I think you've all been taken in.

There's a wonderful column on the Vine, written by none other than the great and much respected Bill Moyers. I'm sure you all respect him (except for those who actually work for Obama). Here's just a bit from the article:

We’ve already made our choice for the best headline of the year, so far: “Citigroup Replaces JPMorgan as White House Chief of Staff.”

When we saw it on the website Gawker.com we had to smile — but the smile didn’t last long.

There’s simply too much truth in the headline -- it says a lot about how Wall Street and Washington have colluded to create the winner-take-all economy that rewards the very few at the expense of everyone else.

All this brings back memories of Hank Paulson, doesn’t it? Hank Paulson, the $700 million man who became secretary of the treasury for President Bush. Paulson had been head of Goldman Sachs, the rich investment bank. As his successor at Goldman Sachs, Paulson chose Lloyd Blankfein. Several times, according to Bloomberg News, Rolling Stone, and Paulson’s own memoir, the treasury secretary made sure Blankfein and Goldman got privileged inside information.

But Bush and Cheney aren’t the only ones to have a soft spot for financiers. President Obama may call bankers “fat cats” and stir the rabble against them with populist rhetoric when it serves his interest, but after the fiscal fiasco, he allowed the culprits to escape virtually scot-free. When he’s in New York he dines with them frequently and eagerly accepts their big contributions. Like his predecessors, his administration also has provided them with billions of taxpayer dollars – low-cost money that they used for high-yielding investments to make big profits. The largest banks are bigger than they were when he took office and earned more in the first two-and-a-half years of his term than they did during the entire eight years of the Bush administration. That’s confirmed by industry data.

Just so you don't miss it:

"The largest banks are bigger than they were when he took office and earned more in the first two-and-a-half years of his [Obama's] term than they did during the entire eight years of the Bush administration. That’s confirmed by industry data."

Ooch. That hurts, at least if you aren't one of the 1%.

You can find this column on the Vine here, and discuss it there to your heart's content.

  • 7 votes
#1.20 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:36 AM EST
Wizeguy

And tonight, I’m asking my Attorney General to create a special unit of federal prosecutors and leading state attorney general to expand our investigations into the abusive lending and packaging of risky mortgages that led to the housing crisis. (Applause.) This new unit will hold accountable those who broke the law, speed assistance to homeowners, and help turn the page on an era of recklessness that hurt so many Americans.

President Obama may call bankers “fat cats” and stir the rabble against them with populist rhetoric when it serves his interest, but after the fiscal fiasco, he allowed the culprits to escape virtually scot-free.

Yup he is letting them off the hook alright...NOT

  • 39 votes
#1.21 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:45 AM EST
WaltUU

I think you've all been taken in.

You don't know the people commenting in this thread. They're expressing their approval with regard to what the President said last night. There is nothing there that could give a reasonable person any basis on which to justify any categorical disparagement. People know that no candidate is perfect. They choose their selection based on a comprehensive view, not a view colored by a narrowly-drawn, biased interpretation of one issue. The claim that others have been "taken in" is itself far more indicative of that malady - it smacks of the vacuous belief that people who disagree with you are somehow not seeing what you're seeing. Such perspectives are baselessly arrogant and without merit. People have different priorities and morals. People who place compassion, consideration for others, fairness and justice very high will clearly come to different yet still reasonable conclusions as compared to people who place personal financial aggrandizement highest.

  • 40 votes
#1.22 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:54 AM EST
KitKat51

That's all you got Oiled? "The banks are bigger"...... Look, I work for one of those "too big to fail" banks. Unless you do as well, you have no idea how much has really changed, and continues to change, about how these guys now have to do business. All eyes are on compliance and risk issues all the time. That used to be a second thought to daily business. Of course they are growing. Wasn't that the whole point of the bailout? Yes, yes it was. Like it or not, we need the banks but we need them to play fair and obviously they can't do that without regulation. BUT (big but here) they are achieving that growth now on a much more level and fair playing field. Oh the industry is still chock full of crooks but the difference now is that people like me (a worker bee) aren't afraid of calling it out and exposing superior's (used loosely) and upper management corruption. We have the backing of our government and I for one am grateful for it. I've spent a good majority of my career watching the bad people get stinking rich while damn near destroying their companies and then walking off with giant packages for a job well done. Let's name just a few - John Thain, Stan O'Neal, Ken Thompson, Ken Lewis. In today's environment, this is not happening and the Obama administration has these guys running scared, looking over their shoulders and for the most part - doing the right thing. This country needs our financial institutions to do well but the President drew a hard line in the sand last night. Did you hear that part? He placed the success of the financial industry squarely where it belongs. In their laps.

  • 36 votes
#1.23 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:11 AM EST
Michael in S J

Yes, and Mitch Daniels, who gave the GOPTeaBag follow-up speech to the SOTU address, was totally disgusting in the lies he told. The records that he refuted were total lies, ans they had nothing of any real value to counter the truth with.

Does anyone share my thoughts that Daniels wrote his response to the STOU last week, before reading even a first draft. He was so far off base as to be as laughable as Jindal was in Obama's first STOU.

Also, I thought the barely noticeable nod in agreement by McCain when Obama brought up immigration reform and some sort of the Dream Act. Maybe there is a bit of the cranky old free spirit left in McCain.

  • 32 votes
#1.24 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:20 AM EST
Happily BLUE in Ohio

Does anyone share my thoughts that Daniels wrote his response to the STOU last week, before reading even a first draft. He was so far off base as to be as laughable as Jindal was in Obama's first STOU.

Hell, I think all the GNOP "commentators" wrote their responses last week when they got the email about what to say from party headquarters. I've read a number of these statements this AM and they are all general, whiny comments, lacking in substance.

  • 28 votes
#1.25 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:27 AM EST
jumpshotjarrod

I'm continually amazed that the "Party of God" is constantly the party demanding that the United States only care for those who "deserve it". Seemingly, the only consistent message in the Bible is providing care and support for the poor and vulnerable. Obama seems to embrace that message, regardless of why. His opposition though absolutely refuse to embrace that message, and yet is constantly lobbing criticism toward the President that it is he who he is "dividing the nation".

The State of the Union was the President essentially rehashing what we all already know, but I doubt it changes the tone in Washington much.

  • 21 votes
#1.26 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:48 AM EST
petridishofideas

jump.....Obama was preachin' what I have said many times. NOW to see it actually come about!

  • 9 votes
#1.27 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:21 AM EST
FumlerExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

I love how you Viners keep patting each other on the back and have your communal orgasm over the Presidents "Great Speech".......(I thought the speech was pathetic and more of the same old same old devisive and uninspiring campaign speech we've heard over and over from the man)....the Media probably will share in your orgasm over his speech but the American people have had enough of this mans JOBS killing and DEBT raising policies....Obama stands NO chance in November!

  • 4 votes
#1.28 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:23 AM EST
Ms CYPRAH

Obama stands NO chance in November!

Not from you, obviously. But he's sure going to get his chance from the rest of the country!!

  • 41 votes
#1.29 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:25 AM EST
Happily BLUE in Ohio

I love how you Viners keep patting each other on the back and have your communal orgasm over the Presidents "Great Speech"......

I understand and appreciate your pain and frustration. As part of right that gave us a president who

  • couldn't string seven words together into a cogent thought,
  • who increased the national debt by lying his way into committing the nation to unjustified war,
  • and who took the American economy down the tubes and then handed off the mess,

I too, would be frustrated that a young, vibrant, legally elected African-American has been able to take the reins and start turning the nation around.

Fortunately, I have never been anywhere near the right politically. I am pleased to be part of the movement that gave us President Obama. And I will contine to work so that this presdient has eight years to right all those atrocities perpetrated (in the past and currently in Congress) by the GNOP.

OBAMA/BIDEN 2012

  • 48 votes
#1.30 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:34 AM EST
drummerboy2011

Not from you, obviously. But he's sure going to get his chance from the rest of the country!!

His approval rating is around 44%, not exactly stellar numbers going into an election with a 9% unemployment rate.

  • 4 votes
#1.31 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:44 AM EST
Wizeguy

Now don't you wish congress had a 44% approval rating and the President was at 9%...

Look for his numbers to soar after last night....if Congress don't get off their duffs they can go lower that's hard to believe....

  • 38 votes
#1.32 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:53 AM EST
spg64-1292127

President Obama again made himself the Adult in the room. His speech was incredible!

The GOP follow up, was horrendous, absolute petulance, like I was watch a teenage delinquent try to blame everyone else for the weed found in his pocket!

BRAVO MR. PRESIDENT!

  • 39 votes
#1.33 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:01 AM EST
Thinknaboutit

Predictably, the right are already waving the "socialism" card

All they have is fear tactics, notice the clear difference in the SOTU and the rebuttal. First you have a true leader who points out the problems without placing blame and then gives a clear path to addressing those problems with bi-partisan solutions that have worked well in the past. Then you have the "loyal opposition" answer with more name and blame games and their insistance to return to the policies that enrich themselves at the expense of their country.

  • 24 votes
#1.34 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:06 AM EST
real michaud

The clips I heard on the radio this morning were excellent. Obama is going to decimate the republicans, (actually the rightwing as there really are not any republicans anymore). To hear the republicans and that jerk Gov Daniels complain about debt is just the ultimate heighth of hypocracy.

Rightwingers, we have a few more tricks up our sleaves. We are going to blow all of you out of the water this novemeber...I know you rightwingers are so terrified that minorities, women, union voters, liberals, progressives are all going to come out in record numbers this november. Your days are numbered.

  • 28 votes
#1.35 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:12 AM EST
Wizeguy

My right index finger is getting numb from voting up all the great comments....

Watch his approval rating skyrocket...yay Mr President you da bomb...!!!

  • 31 votes
#1.36 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:15 AM EST
Alex. CA

Oiled Pelican Seems to be a pro Gingrich repub. What else would you expect from a Gingrich supporter??

  • 21 votes
#1.37 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:16 AM EST
SuperSaiyan

Yeah, that was a great speech last night and the majority of the American people are in favor of what President Obama proposed...

http://www.politicususa.com/en/sotu-obama-poll

  • 23 votes
#1.38 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:14 AM EST
thisbusymonster

I'm trying to feel sympathy for the right-wing. Their grand social rebellion has faded away into a thin fog of self-loathing disgust. Their political party would be pariahs if they had the courage to walk amongst the working class. They've unleashed a near-supernova of contempt against any American who isn't in their cult. And they've been unable to deliver on any of their key politial goals without a near-instant backlash (recall elections, public referendums) swallowing all of their political momentum.

The public is just not buying the right-wing mythology anymore. Neither of the front-running GOP candidates actually has any mainstream appeal, and both are utterly tin-eared when it comes to understanding the public's needs or desires.

And OWS is doing all the things the Democrats won't -- standing up to and talking back to the 1% and their right-wing sycophants.

I predict that at the end of this process, there will be an OWS party, a Democratic Party, and the rag-tag dead-enders of the GOP who will only be able to hold onto a fingernail of power in the South if that. And at the end of another decade, there will be no GOP.

  • 18 votes
#1.39 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:32 AM EST
mountainmike-1199289

Oblama the Obliterator?

Actually the Republicans are doing a good job on their own. Did you notice that the keynote of the speech was an economy that works for everyone, and all of the Republicans responses bypassed this one concept? For all of their faults, the Democrats are the ones that will try to act on this concept while Republicans use every under handed BS trick in the book to serve the Koch brothers, multi millionaires, billionaires, multi billionaires and huge corporations. And as we close down the Iraq quagmire they are talking about war with Iran.

I sincerely hope Republicans will be facing a huge backlash for their hard right turn in 2010 and pandering to their right wing idiots.

  • 21 votes
#1.40 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:43 AM EST
jumpshotjarrod

@ Silvaria

Predictably, the right are already waving the "socialism" card with regards to Obama's concerns about how so few are doing well in this country while so many are struggling just to keep a roof over their heads...

Also predictably, the claim itself is, for lack of a better word, absurd:

'Obama is a socialist' claim earns "Pants On Fire"

And it's the insistence on continuing to "debate" against what is verifiable fact that cripples progress in this nation. As a Congress and as a people, we spend so much of our political capital batting down what is obviously hyperbolic bullsh*t that there's not much left to discuss substantive, meaningful issues.

  • 13 votes
#1.41 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:53 AM EST
Rixar13

"President Obama shattered everything that the Republican Party claims to stand for tonight. If the GOP is the party of the few, Barack Obama’s State Of The Union was an address to the many."

This is what I'm talking about.... wink ;-)

  • 9 votes
#1.42 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:00 AM EST
CMlawyer

Michael in S J- you must have been watching NBC's feed, because they definitely caught the slight nod and smile from McCain on the amnesty on immigration and the Dream Act.

What I found most interesting about Daniels' obviously long ago prepared speech his how much he sounded like the SOTU (except, of course, when he was spouting false truths.) For example, Daniels had a whole segment about giving the middle class a ladder to climb up- if that's not what Pres. O was talking about with fairness, then what was it? Daniels talked about needing energy independence, needing to rework the tax code, needing to simplify regulations, and needing to reaffirm and solidify SSI and Medicare. And he started out talking about unity, and ended up with almost the same cheer as Pres. Obama about how Americans can do anything if we set our minds to it and work together. Poor Daniels, Pres Obama prempted the R talking points. The difference being, Pres. Obama may actually have some ideas on how to make those talking points working points.

  • 12 votes
#1.43 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:30 AM EST
Michael in S J

Michael in S J- you must have been watching NBC's feed, because they definitely caught the slight nod and smile from McCain on the amnesty on immigration and the Dream Act.

MSNBC actually, which obviously shares its feed with its parent!

What I think important with the nod and smile is that it is masked by the appearance of solidarity of the GOP simply for solidarity's sake. I cannot believe that 242 GOP Congressman and 47 GOP Senators are in lock step on EVERY bit of legislation.

  • 6 votes
#1.44 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:21 PM EST
drummerboy2011

Look for his numbers to soar after last night....if Congress don't get off their duffs they can go lower that's hard to believe....

They won't soar, last night was nothing more than another campaign speech. Didn't you watch the graphs on television at the reactions of people during certain comments? He failed miserably with everyone except his own flock of worshippers.

"PUT THIS ON MY DESK AND I'LL SIGN IT NOW"

"PUT THAT ON MY DESK AND I'LL SIGN IT NOW"

Of COURSE he will, he's headed into an election with a miserable approval rating, unemployment at 9% and no jobs in sight, only trillions of dollars in debt. The only thing it would appear he REALLY wants enacted quickly is the one about finding a way to make illegals citizens, that way they can vote for him in November.

  • 2 votes
#1.45 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:23 PM EST
knightofdespair

Of COURSE he will, he's headed into an election with a miserable approval rating, unemployment at 9% and no jobs in sight, only trillions of dollars in debt. The only thing it would appear he REALLY wants enacted quickly is the one about finding a way to make illegals citizens, that way they can vote for him in November.

Versus the tired old GOP positions of cut taxes for the rich and toss grandma and grandpa and the disabled out on the curb. Regardless of how he is polling, he is still towering above any of the corporate prostitutes on the right and their tired old failed ideas.

  • 15 votes
#1.46 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:33 PM EST
drummerboy2011

Regardless of how he is polling, he is still towering above any of the corporate prostitutes on the right and their tired old failed ideas.

Oh please spare us the unadulterated worship. Do you think his poll numbers all come from Republicans? Did you NOT watch the SOTU last night? Did you NOT see his approval hit the toilet more times than it should have for an incumbent president in an election year. And the little lines on the graph showed he blew it with independents as well as undecided voters.

He's not as untouchable as you want him to be.

  • 2 votes
#1.47 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:41 PM EST
Thinknaboutit

Didn't you watch the graphs on television at the reactions of people during certain comments? He failed miserably with everyone except his own flock of worshippers.

I was working and had to catch it on the radio. So which station should I google to find those cool graphs you are talking about, and what was the sample size of the audience participating?

  • 7 votes
#1.48 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 2:13 PM EST
knightofdespair

Again, talk all the smack you want, your guys have nothing at all to provide but negativity. Obama doesn't have to be a smash hit with everybody, he just has to be better than your sad batch of clowns to win.

  • 22 votes
#1.49 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 3:04 PM EST
tracytruth

drummerboy2011

You can scream and shout, stamp your feet and hold your breath, it ain't gonna change the facts.

President Obama’s State of the Union address was very moderate and uncontroversial. It turns out that it was also very popular. According to a CBS News poll of people who watched the address, 91% approved of the President’s remarks.

According to the poll, 91% of those surveyed approved of Obama’s remarks, and only 9% disapproved. In 2010, in the same poll, 83% of those surveyed approved, and 17% disapproved. Obama’s got better marks on his plans for the economy in 2011 than he did in 2010.

Source

SuperSaiyan posted the link in 1.38. Try to keep up!

And since we are talking numbers, here's the latest favorable/unfavorable numbers for the presidential candidates.

Obama: 53% Favorable, 43% Unfavorable

Romney: 31% Favorable, 49% Unfavorable

Gingrich: 29% Favorable, 51% Unfavorable

Have a great day!

  • 24 votes
#1.50 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:04 PM EST
WaltUU

I can hear the dice being thrown... what manner of evasion will the Republicans use to dodge that reality?

  • 16 votes
#1.51 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:00 PM EST
winemaker-4308406

Well, the Great Divider was campaigning again last night - seems he forgot to talk about the State of the Union. Fairness? Fairness is used by soccer Moms to build up the self-estime of little kids who they feel should be made to feel good about being on the field, not winning and losing. Winning and losing comes later in life in the real world.

Not everyone can be a Steve Jobs or a Buffet. I was laughing so hard during this recycled speech that I almost chocked over my popcorn intake. Thank goodness I'm not snacking as I read the choice comments of the 'sheep' on the site. Obama didn't score a big one with this speech, only again showed his contempt for people who are earners.

So, if the top earners will be taxed at the 30% rate, which is another broken promise by the Great Divider - won't happen, then will the middle and lower wage earners also be asked to contribute to the tax base. If ALL Americans pay a tax, then I'm for that.

So tell me liberal element of this site, how will big government help bring about the economy when it is the private sector that builds the economy? Government seems to be an obstructionist to me.

Big gov, as in the European Community, leads to failures as we have all seen. Those nations are moving away from what this Great DIvider has for a vision. Wouldn't you all agree?

  • 1 vote
#1.52 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:05 PM EST
ZeroXExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Obama is the most divisive President I know of terrible & pathetic excuse for an American President.

  • 1 vote
#1.53 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:20 PM EST
G. Bud

One thing Obama could have addressed more precisely, Which would have been the cherry on top of his obliteration of the GOP. I'm hoping he's saving it for the home stretch.... Corporations Are not People!!! Swack...going, going, gone...GOP's out of here!...

ZeroX .. Do you call yourself that because you copy everything Newt says?

  • 13 votes
#1.54 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:23 PM EST
MJL-3

ZeroX

Obama is the most divisive President I know of terrible & pathetic excuse for an American President

NO the pathetic President would be GW

  • 19 votes
#1.55 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:29 PM EST
ZeroXExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Obama is the most divisive figure in the Whitehouse this century. No other leader has done more to try and turn Americans against other Americans. So much for the promise of a new tone. Yes the tone is new, it is the most vile political rhetoric.

Obama has made everything worse in Washington and now, it typical fashion, is trying to blame somebody, anybody, for his failure to unite, failure to lead and a TOTAL failure to even consider compromise. This is without the most colossal container ship of propaganda that I have ever seen. Nothing comes even close to this steaming pile of nonsense.

  • 1 vote
#1.56 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:55 PM EST
Randy McMurphy

He has been the most inclusive, but ya cant really work with people whose whole strategy is absolute obstructionism, now can you? and he will keep working to unite , but that doesn't mean he will rip your strategy to shreds on the stump...and rightly so.

  • 13 votes
#1.57 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:56 PM EST
Vooda

Oh please spare us the unadulterated worship. Do you think his poll numbers all come from Republicans? Did you NOT watch the SOTU last night? Did you NOT see his approval hit the toilet more times than it should have for an incumbent president in an election year. And the little lines on the graph showed he blew it with independents as well as undecided voters.

Me thinks someone needs to turn Hannity off if they are interested in the truth.

  • 14 votes
#1.58 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:27 PM EST
Silvaria

and now, it typical fashion, is trying to blame somebody, anybody, for his failure to unite, failure to lead and a TOTAL failure to even consider compromise.

You're talking about Republicans, right? You know, those politicians who said that making Obama a one-term President was more important than the economic health of the nation?

Yeah, I thought you were. 8)

  • 13 votes
#1.59 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:44 PM EST
wuzateecher

The House is like my first husband. I wanted a strong marriage - he didn't contribute any effort. It takes 2 sides working together to make something work. I could divorce my husband. Obama is stuck with these idiots whose only goal and wish is to make him fail. How they think this makes their chances better, I haven't an inkling. Let's give Obama a better "2nd Marriage" bunch to work WITH him for us.

  • 15 votes
#1.60 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:47 PM EST
MJL-3

ZeroX

Obama is the most divisive figure in the Whitehouse this century. No other leader has done more to try and turn Americans against other Americans. So much for the promise of a new tone. Yes the tone is new, it is the most vile political rhetoric.

Obama has made everything worse in Washington and now, it typical fashion, is trying to blame somebody, anybody, for his failure to unite, failure to lead and a TOTAL failure to even consider compromise. This is without the most colossal container ship of propaganda that I have ever seen. Nothing comes even close to this steaming pile of nonsense.

WHO is turning WHO against Who?

By :Putnam1

Today's Republican party has careened into some scary and radical terrain. For the past few months, I have compiled a list of positions from Republican politicians and right-wing leaders. The following positions come straight from their speeches and documents, not third-hand sources. Anyone considering voting for ANY Republican candidate in November needs to understand that, by voting for a Republican, they are voting for this agenda:

  1. Eliminate Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid
  2. Block all Democratic-sponsored legislation that might help the country recover from this Republican-created economic crisis
  3. Block as many Obama appointments to federal judge and agency positions as possible
  4. Reduce taxes on the rich and corporations
  5. Shrink federal programs that help the poor
  6. Cut off federal medical assistance for people without insurance
  7. Eliminate programs that provide international aid and assistance
  8. Eliminate all environmental, labor, financial and health regulations, fines and penalties
  9. Eliminate programs that fund alternative energy or conservation projects
  10. Open up the Alaska National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) for oil exploration and drilling
  11. Allow unlimited oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico and hydrofracking in the US
  12. Abolish the EPA, OSHA, SEC, and BATF
  13. Abolish the Department of Education
  14. Abolish to Department of Commerce
  15. Abolish the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB) and block the appointment of a Commissioner
  16. Make all abortions illegal
  17. Eliminate government support for Planned Parenthood and other women's rights groups
  18. Ban the birth control pill (currently “use” is defined as abortion in some states)
  19. Weaken child labor laws, allowing children as young as 9 to work longer hours
  20. Weaken rape and sexual harassment laws
  21. Destroy public labor unions
  22. Eliminate all organized labor
  23. Allow increased anonymous corporate and individual campaign donations while tightening rules against organized labor making campaign contributions
  24. Mandate that all states allow people to carry concealed guns
  25. Force minorities to carry identification papers and to produce them to the police
  26. Shape the electoral system to ensure election of republicans (bills currently enacted in 14 states)
  27. Destroy PBS and National Public Radio
  28. Eliminate all public funding for the arts
  29. Reduce spending on infrastructure
  30. Ban all state same-sex marriage laws
  31. Reinstate the "Don't Ask / Don't Tell" law
  32. America ruled by a white Christian fundamentalist theocracy
  33. Require that Presidential contenders be “Christian”
  34. Ban all Muslims from entering the US or becoming citizens
  35. Ban all mosques and any religions other than Christian churches
  36. Repeal 2009 Dodd-Frank Banking Regulations
  37. Repeal 2002 Sarbanes-Oxley Rules governing corporate accountability
  38. Withdraw from the UN and force the organization out of the USA
  • 20 votes
#1.61 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:54 PM EST
MJL-3

Zerox

What has Barack Obama accomplished In the last two years

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_has_Barack_Obama_accomplished

Below is a list of 111 Accomplishments of President Barack Obama as posted via Status Updates on the "Accomplishments of President Barack Obama" Facebook Page. To be alerted of further accomplishments, please become a fan (http://www.facebook.com/obamaaccomplishments). Please also copy, paste and email! THANKS.

Since coming into office on January 21, 2009, President Barack Obama has:

1. Signed an Executive Order on government contracting to fight waste and abuse.

2. Signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, restoring basic protections against pay discrimination for women and other workers.

3. Renewed dialogue with NATO and other allies and partners on strategic issues.

4. Announced a plan to responsibly end the war in Iraq.

5. Provided funding to families of fallen soldiers have expenses covered to be on hand when the body arrives at Dover AFB.

6. Ended media blackout on war casualties and the return of fallen soldiers to Dover AFB.

7. Signed the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act which has created 2.1 million jobs (as of 12/31/09).

8. Launched Recovery.gov to track spending from the Recovery Act, an unprecedented step to provide transparency and accountability through technology.

9. Announced the "Making Home Affordable" home refinancing plan.

10. Launched a $15 billion plan to boost lending to small businesses.

11. Invested heavily in education both as a way to provide jobs now and lay the foundation for long-term prosperity.

12. Provided the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) with more than $1.4 billion to improve services to America's Veterans.

13. Signed an Executive Order establishing the White House Office of Urban Affairs.

14. Limited lobbyist's access to the White House.

15. Issued an Presidential Memorandum to restore scientific integrity in government decision-making.

16. Answered questions at the first online town hall from the White House that were submitted and voted on transparently by the public at WhiteHouse.gov.

17. Established a central portal for Americans to find service opportunities.

18. Launched Business.gov - enabling conversation and online collaboration between small business owners, government representatives and industry experts in discussion forums relevant to starting and managing a business.

19. Appointed the first ever Federal Chief Information Officer to provide management and oversight over federal IT spending.

20. Signed the Children's Health Insurance Reauthorization Act on February 4, 2009, which provides quality health care to 11 million kids - 4 million who were previously uninsured.

21. Issued an Executive Order repealing the Bush-Era restrictions on embryonic stem cell research.

22. Signed the Christopher and Dana Reeve Paralysis Act, the first piece of comprehensive legislation aimed at improving the lives of Americans living with paralysis.

23. Announced creation of a Joint Virtual Lifetime Electronic Record for members of the U.S. Armed Forces to improve quality of medical care.

24. Ended the previous stop-loss policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan longer than their enlistment date.

25. Committed to phasing out the expensive F-22 war plane and other outdates weapons systems, which weren't even used or needed in Iraq/Afghanistan.

26. Provided federal support for stem-cell and new biomedical research.

27. Provided new federal funding for science and research labs.

28. Played a lead role in G-20 Summit that produced a $1.1 trillion deal to combat the global financial crisis.

29. Signed the Weapons Systems Acquisition Reform Act to stop fraud and wasteful spending in the defense procurement and contracting system.

30. Ordered the closure of the prison at Guantanamo Bay and a review of our detention and interrogation policy, and prohibited the use of torture.

31. Appointed Special Envoys for Climate Change, Southwest Asia, the Middle
East, Sudan, and a Special Representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan.

32. Empowered states to enact federal fuel efficiency standards above federal standards.

33. Increased infrastructure spending (roads, bridges, power plants) after years of neglect.

34. Increased minority access to capital.

35. Developed a comprehensive new strategy on Afghanistan and Pakistan that will help defeat Al Qaeda and authorized the deployment of more than 21,000 troops to Afghanistan.

36. Signed the Fraud Enforcement and Recovery Act which gives the federal government more tools to investigate and prosecute fraud, from lending to the financial system, and creates a bipartisan Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission to investigate the financial practices that brought us to this point.

37. Signed the Helping Families Save Their Homes Act.

38. Increased, for the first time in more than a decade, the fuel economy standards for Model Year 2011 for cars and trucks so they will get better mileage.

39. Issued a Presidential Memorandum to the Department of Energy to implement more aggressive efficiency standards for common household appliances.

40. Unveiled a program on Earth Day 2009 to develop the renewable energy projects on the waters of our Outer Continental Shelf that produce electricity from wind, wave, and ocean currents. These regulations will enable, for the first time ever, the nation to tap into our ocean's vast sustainable resources to generate clean energy in an environmentally sound and safe manner.

41. Announced a new U.S.-Mexico border initiative.

42. Concluded cyberspace policy review.

43. Announced a strategy to address the international nuclear threat.

44. Established a new "U.S.-China Strategic and Economic Dialogue".

45. Announced new policy steps towards Cuba.

46. Provided funding for advanced manufacturing technologies.

47. Issued a Presidential Memorandum on the Freedom of Information Act instructing the Attorney General to issue new guidelines to the government implementing those same principles of openness and transparency in the processing of FOIA requests.

48. Funded the design of a new Smithsonian National Museum of African American History scheduled to open on the National Mall in 2015.

49. The Executive Order on Presidential Records brings those principles to presidential records by giving the American people greater access to these historic documents, severely curtailing the ability to use executive privilege to shield those documents.

50. Signed the Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act, a hallmark piece of legislation.

51. Signed the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility, and Disclosure (CARD) Act to protect Americans from unfair and deceptive credit card practices.

52. Signed an Executive Order establishing a White House Council on Women and Girls to provide a coordinated Federal response to the challenges confronted by women and girls and to ensure that all Cabinet and Cabinet-level agencies consider how their policies and programs impact women and
families.

53. Launched a U.S. financial and banking rescue plan.

54. Ordered secret detention facilities in Eastern Europe and elsewhere to be closed.

55. Ended the previous policy; the US now has a no torture policy and is in compliance with the Geneva Convention standards.

56. Launched U.S. Auto industry rescue plan.

57. Provided better body armor to our troops.

58. Authorized cutting the missile defense program by $1.4 billion in 2010.

59. Restarted the nuclear nonproliferation talks and building back up the nuclear inspection infrastructure/protocols.

60. Reengaged in the treaties/agreements to protect the Antarctic.

61. Reengaged in the agreements/talks on global warming and greenhouse gas emissions, and addressed the U.N. Climate Change Conference.

62. Supported the first steps of a legally-binding treaty to reduce mercury emissions worldwide.

63. Visited more countries and met with more world leaders than any president in his first six months in office.

64. Managed several natural disasters successfully, including severe winter ice storms and flooding in several states.

65. Provided new car tax credit.

66. Provided attractive tax write-offs for those who buy hybrid automobiles.

67. Purchased fuel efficient American-made fleet of vehicles for the federal government.

68. Endorsed Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act of 2009 that would close offshore tax havens.

69. Nominated Sonia Sotomayor to Supreme Court. She's confirmed and becomes the first Hispanic Supreme Court justice.

70. Helped reverse a downward spiral of the stock market. On January 19, 2009, the last day of President Bush's presidency, the Dow closed at 8,218.22. Today, the Dow closed at 10,309.24 (February 2010).

71. Earned an unprecedented success rate of 96.7% on winning congressional votes on issues where he took a position. He did even better than legendary arm-twister Lyndon Johnson who had a 93% success rate in 1965.

72. Provided affordable, high-quality child care to working families.

73. Restored America's reputation as a global leader that will do the "right thing" in world affairs.

74. Issued an executive order to create the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform.

75. Increased funding for student loans and pell grants for 2010 students.

76. Negotiated deal with Swiss banks to permit US government to gain access to records of tax evaders and criminals.

77. Provided tax credit to workers thus cutting taxes for 95% of America's working families.

78. Cracked down on companies that deny sick pay, vacation and health insurance to workers by abusing the employee classification of independent contractor. Such companies also avoid paying Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance taxes for those workers.

79. Signed the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act that made it a federal crime to assault an individual because of his or her sexual orientation or gender identity.

80. Appointed the first Special Assistant to the President for Disability Policy.

81. Signed the Veterans Health Care Budget Reform and Transparency Act authorizing advance appropriations for the Department of Veterans Affairs by providing two-fiscal year budget authority thus enabling better medical care for veterans. Endorsed by the American Legion, American Veterans, Blinded Veter...ans Association, Disabled American Veterans, Jewish War Veterans, Military Officers Association, Military Order of the Purple Heart, Paralyzed Veterans of America and Vietnam Veterans of America.

82. Held impromptu press conference to urge Congress to investigate Anthem Blue Cross and other corporate health insurance companies that raise premiums in high amounts without explanation. Rep. Henry Waxman launches probe. In this case, Anthem Blue Cross wanted to raise premiums 39%. They have now put the increase on hold for two months (as of February 2010). Legislation preventing such increases pending.

83. Designated $1.5 billion from the Troubled Asset Relief Program to fund programs at local housing finance agencies in the states hardest hit by the housing crisis: California, Florida, Nevada, Arizona and Michigan. The MBA forecasts that foreclosures will peak in the last quarter of 2010.

84. Protected 300,000 education jobs, such as teachers, principals, librarians, and counselors through the Recovery Act that would have otherwise been lost.

85. Extended discounted COBRA health coverage for the nation's unemployed from 9 months to 15 months. Workers laid off between September 1, 2008 and February 28, 2010 qualify.

86. Extended unemployment benefits for 2,000,000 unemployed Americans by 20 weeks. At the time the bill was signed 7,000 unemployed Americans were losing their unemployment benefits each day.

87. Eliminated federal funding for abstinence-only education which was significantly increased during the Bush Administration to $176 million annually.

88. Rescinded the Global Gag Rule.

89. Appointed the most diverse Cabinet in history including more women appointees than any other incoming president.

90. Committed to no permanent military bases in Iraq through the Defense Authorization Act. For your reference.

91. Provided tax credits to first-time home buyers through the Worker, Homeownership, and Business Assistance Act of 2009 to revitalize the U.S. housing market.

92. Provided the Department of Veterans Affairs the largest spending increase in 30 years to improve medical facilities and national cemeteries, and to assist states in acquiring or constructing state nursing homes and extended care facilities.

93. Strengthened the Endangered Species Act.

94. Empowered states that legalized medical marijuana to regulate themselves. Fourteen states have allowed some use of marijuana for medical purposes: Alaska, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Maryland, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, Oregon, Maryland, Rhode Island, Vermont and Washington.

95. Enhanced earth mapping.

96. Increased funding for national parks and forests in 2010, and plans to do it again for FY 2011.

97. Changed failing war strategy in Afghanistan.

98. Allocated special funding to the Labor Department to provide green job training to veterans.

99. Allocated funding to states and the Department of Homeland Security to save thousands of police or firefighter jobs from being cut during the recession.

100. Created and sustained 2.1 million jobs and stimulated the economy 3.5% [as of December 31, 2009] through the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act.

101. Signed on to the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities.

102. Responded with compassion and leadership to the earthquake in Haiti.

103. Signed the Ryan White HIV/AIDS Treatment Extension Act of 2009. The Act extends the Ryan White programs through 2013.

104. Ordered a review by the Sentencing Commission of mandatory minimum sentences.

105. Signed the Travel Promotion Act of 2010 to increase travel to the United States.

106. Expanded the Rural Energy for America Program and USDA energy grants to empower farmers that want to use renewable energy.

107. Increased funding to the Land and Water Conservation Fund.

108. Launched and extended the "Cash for Clunkers" program.

109. Donated his $1.4 million Nobel Prize to nonprofits.

110. Revitalized and empowered the EPA, OSHA and the SEC to protect workers and consumers by regulating business practices.

111. Signed the HIRE Act.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_has_Barack_Obama_accomplished#ixzz1j0iNQ2yD

YOUR spin doesn't work here!

  • 26 votes
#1.62 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:57 PM EST
Jack TX

YOUR spin doesn't work here!

Please do not believe for a minute that yours works any better.

  • 2 votes
#1.63 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:00 PM EST
drummerboy2011

thinknaboutit,

I caught the graphics on CNN after the speech was over and the panel was analyzing. Might try the CNN website perhaps.

tracytruth,

Perhaps it's you who needs to try and keep up. To begin with, I'm not here being snippy and condescending, I'm here discussing, perhaps you should do the same.

Here, from the Washing Post:

Gallup: Obama’s third-year approval ratings among lowest

President Obama averaged a 44.4 percent approval rating during his third year in office, Gallup reports. That’s among the lowest of any president since Eisenhower — but not by much. Ronald Reagan averaged a 44.9 percent approval rating during his third year in office.

But Gallup’s comparisons mostly shows how little they can really tell you. Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan had two of the lowest readings, but two of the strongest reelection bids. George H. W. Bush had one of the best third-year approval ratings — 69 percent — but he lost his reelection campaign. His son, George W. Bush, posted a strong 59 percent approval rating in his second year, but was reelected by one of the slimmest margins of any two-term president in the 20th century.

Note, too, that the strongest orators posted some of the lowest third-year ratings. Clinton, Reagan and Obama all gave good speeches. But speeches don’t get you very far.

SOURCE: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/gallup-obamas-third-year-approval-ratings-among-lowest/2011/08/25/gIQAF7A0KQ_blog.html

  • 1 vote
#1.64 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:48 PM EST
MJL-3

Jack TX

YOUR spin doesn't work here!

Please do not believe for a minute that yours works any better.

I don't spin I don't watch fox

You noticed I have a link where you viners NEVER back it up with FACT, not that right wing BS that used

  • 16 votes
#1.65 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:51 PM EST
Maggie-602935

No other leader has done more to try and turn Americans against other Americans.

That's because the racists hate him...and say things like/similar the above.

  • 19 votes
#1.66 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:41 PM EST
drummerboy2011

That's because the racists hate him...and say things like/similar the above.

Oh for the love of God, spare us the @!$%#ing race baiting already, it's old, it's completely untrue and it's pretty disgusting.

Has it ever occurred to you that some people simply don't like the guy because of his agenda, his lies, his elitist attitude, @!$%# like that?!?

If that's the best you've got, to accuse someone of being a racist for telling the @!$%#ing truth then you've already lost this one BIG TIME.

Get over the race @!$%#, this has to do nothing to do with Obama being black and everything to do with Obama being a @!$%#TY PRESIDENT.

Good grief.

  • 2 votes
#1.67 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:13 PM EST
fireryone

He isn't a @!$%#ty President. He's actually done quite well considering the state of the economy when he took office and the lack of particpation from Congress. Everyone has an opinion, and yours is no more or less valid than anyone else.

  • 21 votes
#1.68 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:20 PM EST
drummerboy2011

As is yours. Don't blame this all on congress either or the republicans or Bush. Obama simply hasn't gotten the job done, period. 3 years in with a 44% approval rating and unemployment at 9% doesn't speak to highly of his presidency.

  • 3 votes
#1.69 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:34 PM EST
mstanley2265

Congress holds the purse strings, what whoever is in Charge of the money, how to spend how to collect isn't 100% responsible. It's in the Constitution and Congress swings that authority heavy.

  • 9 votes
#1.70 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:52 PM EST
johny-388777

Well with the big bribes and mountains of lobbying. It hard to do much at all.

I just hope Obama can fight off the crooks all around him. He has Tim and Bernanke and Eric and other regulatory Agency heads all crooked.

Its amazing he has come up with anything decent at all.

  • 7 votes
#1.71 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:54 PM EST
Maggie-602935

Oh for the love of God, spare us the @!$%#ing race baiting already,

Yeah....good @!$%#ing grief...it's like a god damned cli@!$%#ingche about now....why do you suppose THAT IS????

Because it's true...period.

Has it ever occurred to you that some people simply don't like the guy because of his agenda,

Has it not occurred to you that ...oh never the @!$%# mind...it's not rocket science here....plenty hate this man for one reason only....and the badge of that @!$%# shines way too bright...

If that's the best you've got, to accuse someone of being a racist

I didn't accuse anyone of @!$%#. I typed what is clear and obvious at times.

See you in November...

Get over the race @!$%#

No...it's not my issue...me thinks you doth protest too much...the drum beats pretty loud.

Peace.

  • 18 votes
#1.72 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:30 AM EST
Maggie-602935

The good news would be that the Obama bashers are going to get another 4 years to trash him....for WHATEVER unfounded reasons or not....like I said...some have made some valid points...others just drum @!$%# comments.

:)

  • 14 votes
#1.73 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:38 AM EST
gmross

Drummerboy, here's a little information for you on the jobs front from last nights speech.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jan/25/barack-obama/have-private-sector-jobs-grown-22-months-best-annu/

This is in reference to your post 1.69

  • 13 votes
#1.74 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:53 AM EST
Happily BLUE in Ohio

his elitist attitude

His detractors often criticize Obama's elitist attitude. I'd really like to hear what specific behaviors are indicative of an elitist attitude. Personally, I don't see it and I'm wondering how a kid from an often single-parent household, sometimes living with his grandparents, would grow with a sense of elitism.

Of course if one is put off because this president is a fine orator and a Constitutional scholar, knows domestic and world affairs, and can correctly pronounce a common word like "nuclear" (all traits absent in our last president who grew up in the lap of luxuryaisle all that exceptional achievement is seen in an African-American, well I guess that could seem elitist to some folks, but the term you're really looking for is uppity.

Maybe some folks don't like the fact that this man has far surpassed what many expected given his circumstances AND race. I I just see that as a pretty amazing sense of accomplishment.

  • 17 votes
#1.75 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:57 AM EST
Bye

Can someone explain why Republicans are such stupid-dumbass-mother@!$%#ers? I swear.

Great Speech Mr. President!

Obama/Biden 2012

  • 13 votes
#1.76 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:21 AM EST
WaltUU

Obama is the most divisive President I know of terrible & pathetic excuse for an American President.

You must have slept through the Bush administration. Bush was the most divisive President I know of and a pathetic excuse for an American President. Obama is no Bill Clinton, but he's a decent President, far better than any of these Republican candidates would be.

He has been the most inclusive, but ya cant really work with people whose whole strategy is absolute obstructionism, now can you?

This is a good point: Republicans have become so offensively extreme in their greed and self-righteousness that they cannot help but see everyone else as evil. The divisiveness in this nation rests squarely in the egocentric perspectives embodied by the Christian Taliban and the Romneys of the world looking to return us to a master/slave economy.

  • 15 votes
#1.77 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:32 AM EST
MJL-3

drummerboy

Oh for the love of God, spare us the @!$%#ing race baiting already, it's old, it's completely untrue and it's pretty disgusting.

Has it ever occurred to you that some people simply don't like the guy because of his agenda, his lies, his elitist attitude, @!$%# like that?!?

If that's the best you've got, to accuse someone of being a racist for telling the @!$%#ing truth then you've already lost this one BIG TIME.

Get over the race @!$%#, this has to do nothing to do with Obama being black and everything to do with Obama being a @!$%#TY PRESIDENT.

WOW, apparently a nerve was hit with the language you are using.

Maggie is correct , you are wrong.

  • 16 votes
#1.78 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:22 AM EST
drummerboy2011

Is there a rule here that profanity is prohibited? Please quote that rule for me thanks.

As for Maggie, she's just throwing a hissy fit over the fact that some people actually don't like Obama because he's a @!$%#ty assed president and not because he's black.

That race card where Obama is concerned has been so overplayed it's pathetic. The guy is ion an election year with unemployment at 9% and a 44% approval rating give or take.

Does that not tell you anything?

Now show me the Newsvine rule which prohibits profanity please.

  • 2 votes
#1.79 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:33 AM EST
knightofdespair

Keep spinning drummerboy, by the time Obama gets inaugurated again you will be halfway to your republican jobs stronghold, China.

  • 15 votes
#1.80 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:13 AM EST
YELLOW DOG D.

"ouch"

  • 9 votes
#1.81 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:22 AM EST
Maggie-602935

Back to that idea that we should be able to discuss topics without making it personal.

  • 8 votes
#1.82 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:16 AM EST
Jack TX

You must have slept through the Bush administration. Bush was the most divisive President I know of and a pathetic excuse for an American President.

Bush was a poor president. But for divisiveness, at least in the last 100 years, nobody holds a candle to LBJ.

  • 3 votes
#1.83 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:48 AM EST
Andy Ritch

There is more good information on this blog than there was in his speech. I thought it was to be a "State of the Union" speech. Wrong. It was political. I think I will run for the office. I enjoy vacations and limousines and can only dream of Air Force One.

In reality, I wish the election was aleady behind us.

    #1.84 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:10 PM EST
    Alex. CA

    Yes, go ahead , run for office. Good luck!!!

    • 6 votes
    #1.85 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:27 PM EST
    Andy Ritch

    Thank you, Alex. Can you carry California for me?

      #1.86 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:01 PM EST
      SuperSaiyan

      Don't blame this all on congress either or the republicans or Bush.

      Never mind the fact that The American people still blames Bush for the economy as well as holding Congressional republicans responsible for the gridlock in Congress, drummerboy2011...

      • 11 votes
      #1.87 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:22 PM EST
      johny-388777

      Again, Lets look at what Obama said, I quote.

      if you're a mortgage lender or a payday lender or a credit card company, the days of signing people up for products they can't afford with confusing forms and deceptive practices — those days are over.

      Then more on this.

      We'll also establish a Financial Crimes Unit of highly trained investigators to crack down on large-scale fraud and protect people's investments. Some financial firms violate major anti-fraud laws because there's no real penalty for being a repeat offender. That's bad for consumers, and it's bad for the vast majority of bankers and financial service professionals who do the right thing. So pass legislation that makes the penalties for fraud count.

      And tonight, I'm asking my Attorney General to create a special unit of federal prosecutors and leading state attorney general to expand our investigations into the abusive lending and packaging of risky mortgages that led to the housing crisis. (Applause.) This new unit will hold accountable those who broke the law, speed assistance to homeowners, and help turn the page on an era of recklessness that hurt so many Americans.

      IF he follows through we get some of these executive criminal scum. These literally murdered and stole food out of childrens mouths. Finally some action.

      Go Obama.

      • 12 votes
      #1.88 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:45 PM EST
      knightofdespair

      Romney fares best against the president, trailing Obama by six points among registered voters, 49 percent to 43 percent. That’s a four-point improvement for the president from a month ago.

      Obama, however, beats Gingrich by a whopping 18 points, 55-37 percent, expanding the president’s 11-point lead a month ago.

      Santorum also loses to Obama, but by a narrower margin, 53-38 percent, than Gingrich.

      http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/26/10245644-nbcwsj-poll-gingrich-leads-romney-but-badly-trails-obama

      Yeah, somehow I don't think the party of no is going to pull this off.

      • 11 votes
      #1.89 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:34 AM EST
      johny-388777

      ha ha ha ha. GOP/TP crazies are so crazy.

      The fight is on. I don't know but you can help. Please do. If you have spare second call you AG.

      Email them. It does not matter. Do not let them settle out of court again.

      http://www.ourfuture.org/features/no-sweetheart-deal-big-banks

      Obama don't do it.

      • 7 votes
      #1.90 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:34 PM EST
      huskergal

      Citizen's United is now law and President Obama has to uphold the law, but he doesn't have to support it. It wasn't addressed because it is up to congress to draw up an amendment to repeal it. However, it was there in SOTU. He was reaming congress for their decisions or no decisions now but, he did mention his reaming of the Supreme Court 2 years ago. I would think that the majority of the audience knew he as referring to Citizen's United.

      • 7 votes
      #1.91 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:28 AM EST
      Reply
      redsfan

      And by the way...he nailed this section...

      We don't begrudge financial success in this country. We admire it. When Americans talk about folks like me paying my fair share of taxes, it's not because they envy the rich. It's because they understand that when I get tax breaks I don't need and the country can't afford, it either adds to the deficit, or somebody else has to make up the difference - like a senior on a fixed income; or a student trying to get through school; or a family trying to make ends meet. That's not right. Americans know it's not right.

      • 72 votes
      #2 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:47 PM EST
      Smith Cassidy

      When Americans talk about folks like me paying my fair share of taxes

      Very good. He's not hiding. He and others are asking to be treated the same as the majority of people who work just as hard (or harder) than those who have the wealth.

      • 43 votes
      #2.1 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:39 AM EST
      NC Slim

      #2 redsfan

      This section blew my socks off!!! Fabuloso!! Great! Fantastic! I know the Koch brothers fainted dead away.

      • 32 votes
      #2.2 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 3:07 AM EST
      michelle-1073610

      Pres. Obama knocked it out of the park, while the sour pusses sat on their hands and looked grim. Daniel's answer? Pure negativity, as usual. I'll take Pres. Obama's positive views and plans for a more fair America over the failed polices of the Tpubs. Now we must get to work and get Pres. Obama some help in the do nothing Congress, elect people with vision and who truly want America to work for all not just the 1%, like the Romney and Newt. Obaba/Biden 2012 and some really great new law makers.

      • 25 votes
      #2.3 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:31 AM EST
      Oiled Pelican

      Obama can be a fine orator, michelle. I do not take that away from him. He can raise hope, which he did three years ago. Just remember he's campaigning. Maybe also look at 18.20 above. Follow that link to a wonderful article by Bill Moyers. Yup, Bill Moyers, our respected Elder among liberals and progressives.

      • 3 votes
      #2.4 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:41 AM EST
      michelle-1073610

      Oiled Pelican, I know Obama is campaigning, and I've been disappointed many times since his election, but all you have to do is look at the alternatives, and we must not allow them back in power. Thanks for the tip, I love Moyers.

      • 22 votes
      #2.5 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:28 AM EST
      real michaud

      know the Koch brothers fainted dead away

      Lots of rightwing immoral goons are going to die. There is a God and he is watching everything the rightwing says and does in his name. Remember this evangelical white racist rightwingers, you might go around saying you are "Christ-ian", but Christ himself warned that "many will use his name" but he will say "I never knew you".. Christ himself said that just for this bunch of bozos running around America calling it a "Christain nation" and "under God", and God is going to say, "Who are You?, I don't know you"....take that rightwing liars.

      • 14 votes
      #2.6 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:26 AM EST
      Matt in MN

      At this point, I'm ready to double the tax rates on the top 1%, just so we can show how ineffective it is. I mean, seriously - what's 70% on every dollar above $380k? Sure it will only amount to about an extra 5 billion dollars in revenue - but - @!$%# it, at least it's "fair" right?

      • 1 vote
      #2.7 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:54 AM EST
      Ms CYPRAH

      Sure it will only amount to about an extra 5 billion dollars in revenue

      ONLY $5 billion, of course! Positively useless, isn't it? Wouldn't do anything for the country, would it? :o(

      • 13 votes
      #2.8 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:00 AM EST
      82AllAmericans

      With news this morning of the Navy SEAL team rescue on hostages in Somalia, now we know why he led with thanking our military and giving them that just and overly deserved praise. I would not want to play poker with POTUS.

      • 15 votes
      #2.9 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:25 AM EST
      thisbusymonster

      Follow that link to a wonderful article by Bill Moyers. Yup, Bill Moyers, our respected Elder among liberals and progressives.

      You seem to have a vested interest in poisoning the well here. You refuse to address any of the points Obama raised, you utterly ignore his real record on these issues, and you are cherry-picking for negative things to say.

      Bill Moyers is just one guy. He's certainly not the voice of the OWS movement, and he's certainly not going to decide my vote based on a very vague insinuation that Obama has somehow given the banks a free ride. The NUMEROUS attempts to derail his Consumer Protection Bureau might be one reason the banks aren't getting the rein-in that they so desperately need. But, no, don't look at that! Instead look over here where this guy is some liberal criticizing Obama. Yeah! A liberal! Criticizing Obama.

      What is funny about this pathetic line of argument is that I don't think GOPers understand that liberals can handle self-criticism. It's OK that Obama isn't the perfect Liberal, and I have no issue with attacks. I am sure the Moyers piece is far more nuanced than you present it to be, and I'm sure you cherry-picked the most negative things you could from it.

      Your agenda is not to provoke honest discussion, but to rack up another lame-ass GOP talking point. If you were intersted in honest discussion, you would present the entire picture, instead of the tiny slice that advances your agenda.

      • 12 votes
      #2.10 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:45 AM EST
      mountainmike-1199289

      If Corporations And The Rich Paid Taxes At The Same Level As The 1960s, The Debt Would Disappear
      This article is based on research numbers.

      How Our Largest Corporations Made $170 Billion During the Great Recession And Paid No Taxes
      http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2011/06/01/how-our-largest-corporations-made-170-billion-during-great-recession-and-paid-no-taxes/

      An article based on this study of 12 or our largest corporations:

      http://www.scribd.com/doc/56809745/12-Corporations-Pay-Effective-Tax-Rate-of-Negative-1-5-on-171-Billion-in-Profits

      • 10 votes
      #2.11 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:51 AM EST
      Jack TX

      ONLY $5 billion, of course! Positively useless, isn't it? Wouldn't do anything for the country, would it? :o(

      No, it wouldn't. We burn through that in about 4 hours....which is the real problem. The idea we can "tax the rich and corporations" and get our financial house in order is pure fantasy.

      • 3 votes
      #2.12 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:18 AM EST
      fireryone

      The idea that we can't is the REAL fantasy. If we increase revenue, and make smart cuts (not throw the baby out with the bathwater) we can absolutely turn this around.

      • 10 votes
      #2.13 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:12 PM EST
      michelle-1073610

      How about putting people back to work so they can pay taxes, too? I know, another radical left wing idea. How about fixing our infrastructure that is falling apart all around us? So we can compete in the world markets. How about educating our young people so they can go out and get jobs and pay taxes, too? I know, I know, that left wing liberal craziness again. sarc.

      • 11 votes
      #2.14 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:29 PM EST
      Michael in S J

      The idea we can "tax the rich and corporations" and get our financial house in order is pure fantasy.

      True, as Obama made clear in his SOTU last night. But you also can't clean up the debt by simply not spending either.

      Last year Obama offered a 3 to 1 (spending/tax increase) solution and the GOP ignored him. In one of the early GOP "debates" the question was posed: "would any of you accept a tax increase of $1 for every $10 in budget cuts?"

      AND NO "DEBATER" ANSWERED YES!

      • 11 votes
      #2.15 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:29 PM EST
      Jack TX

      If we increase revenue, and make smart cuts (not throw the baby out with the bathwater) we can absolutely turn this around.

      OK, so we're in agreement. Revenue AND cuts are needed. I realize I didn't state that earlier, sorry. However we're going to have to understand that revenue is going to have to come from across the board, and cuts will need to be made across the board. We may have to live without 13 carrier groups. We may have to scale back the EIC. We may have to raise the Medicare age.

      However it's done, be sure it will contain a lot of very unpopular decisions that no current political figure has shown the necessary fortitude to execute.

      • 3 votes
      #2.16 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:47 PM EST
      Jack TX

      How about putting people back to work so they can pay taxes, too? I know, another radical left wing idea. How about fixing our infrastructure that is falling apart all around us? So we can compete in the world markets. How about educating our young people so they can go out and get jobs and pay taxes, too? I know, I know, that left wing liberal craziness again. sarc.

      The part of your statement that in fact IS left wing liberal craziness is the implication that any of what you suggest is going to be tolerated by the actual left wing.

      Infrastructure investments do a lot to enrich "corporate America". It means more capital equipment expenditure, which means more financing and more profits for the evil "1%" (what an utterly stupid designation) who loan the money.

      Educating our kids properly involves setting high standards of achievement which historically discriminate against "sociology-economically disadvantaged" kids. It involves actually refusing to graduate a kid who is not educated, even if he is 20. It involves places like Dallas ISD recognizing that that a person's race has no determination on their qualifications as superintendent, classroom teacher or football coach.

      • 1 vote
      #2.17 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 2:02 PM EST
      Matt in MN

      It's not even worth arguing anymore. Hurry up and get enough people elected so that we can raise tax rates to 100% on the top 1%. I'm all for that, at this point. If you think it'll work - try it already!!!

      • 4 votes
      #2.18 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 2:46 PM EST
      ThaPyngwyn

      If Corporations And The Rich Paid Taxes At The Same Level As The 1960s, The Debt Would Disappear

      Well, yeah. We were trying to get to the Moon then, while fighting the Cold War. The country was scared into paying higher taxes. Do you suggest fundraising through fear-mongering?

        #2.19 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:45 PM EST
        Randy McMurphy

        Matt in MN
        It's not even worth arguing anymore. Hurry up and get enough people elected so that we can raise tax rates to 100% on the top 1%. I'm all for that, at this point. If you think it'll work - try it already!!!

        Matt We have had 91% rates before, in which the effective rate was 60% under Eisenhower , now his jobs record wasn't the best of post war presidents , but it was a damn sight better than the last 2 republicans the stock market was booming, AND he was paying down the war debt like better than any pw repub Eisenhower ;-15.4% gdp to gdp change overall -1.9% gdp/debt chg annually

        • 7 votes
        #2.20 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:07 PM EST
        Matt in MN

        Matt We have had 91% rates before, in which the effective rate was 60% under Eisenhower

        Good bring them back.

        Make no mention of the fact that when accounting for inflation, only a handful of people actually paid 91%. No I think you should go all in. Make it for the top 5%. Every dollar over 250k should be taxed at 91% or why stop there, let's go 100%. The problem with modern liberalism is they never have the back bone to go all the way. Let's go all the way! You wont hear a fight out of me.

        What are you even arguing with? At this point, I'm tired of arguing with the absolute idiocy of your ideology - I'm ready to support your efforts. Either everything is going to fall apart and the populous will string up everyone with your ideology - or it'll work and I'll be content with a functioning economy.

        • 3 votes
        #2.21 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:32 PM EST
        johny-388777

        thisbusymonster

        Follow that link to a wonderful article by Bill Moyers. Yup, Bill Moyers, our respected Elder among liberals and progressives.

        You seem to have a vested interest in poisoning the well here. You refuse to address any of the points Obama raised, you utterly ignore his real record on these issues, and you are cherry-picking for negative things to say.

        Come on , We know that Obama is the best candidate compared to others. He has valid points. Obama is no saint. I can understand how worried you are because we have 55 million americans below the poverty line.

        I hope your trust in Obama is worth it. Only really in hind sight will we know. Though I can surely tell you Newt and Romney and GOP/TP crazies will deliver new levels of cronyism.

        • 4 votes
        #2.22 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:56 PM EST
        Randy McMurphy

        Matt in MN
        Matt We have had 91% rates before, in which the effective rate was 60% under Eisenhower

        Good bring them back.

        'kay

        Make no mention of the fact that when accounting for inflation, only a handful of people actually paid 91%.

        Ummm, Thats why I added the effective rate was 60%

        No I think you should go all in. Make it for the top 5%. Every dollar over 250k should be taxed at 91% or why stop there, let's go 100%. The problem with modern liberalism is they never have the back bone to go all the way. Let's go all the way! You wont hear a fight out of me.

        Thats silly, and its not progressive as Adam Smith would have advocated...having income rates minus expenses and deductions above 250K 3.5 or 4% works just fine, Just look at the Clinton years. 100% comrade? thats a lil much, but then it depends on how generous domestic investment deductions and write offs are.

        What are you even arguing with? At this point, I'm tired of arguing with the absolute idiocy of your ideology - I'm ready to support your efforts. Either everything is going to fall apart and the populous will string up everyone with your ideology - or it'll work and I'll be content with a functioning economy.

        I just commented, I'm not arguing...as I said under those high marginal rates we were doing better, we were paying off our debt, still the worlds creditor, in comes the "fiscal conservatives", Reagan avg deficit and debt 250 billion a year, Bush1 360 billion a year and Bush 2 680 billion a years. Idiocy? Hit the books, jr., and get off the fox then get back to me...

        • 8 votes
        #2.23 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:44 PM EST
        Matt in MN

        Ummm, Thats why I added the effective rate was 60%

        It was also very rare for a dual income household.

        having income rates minus expenses and deductions above 250K 3.5 or 4% works just fine, Just look at the Clinton years.

        Obviously not. Clinton is tied for the largest expansion of income disparity in recorded history (7.2%).

        I just commented, I'm not arguing...as I said under those high marginal rates we were doing better, we were paying off our debt, still the worlds creditor, in comes the "fiscal conservatives", Reagan avg deficit and debt 250 billion a year, Bush1 360 billion a year and Bush 2 680 billion a years.

        This is where I have to argue with you. Reagan was not a fiscal conservative. He was a Republican, but, hardly fiscally conservative. Reagan expanded the role of the federal government to unimaginable levels. In fact, I would put Reagan in the same sentence as Roosevelt for expanding the federal government.

        Idiocy? Hit the books, jr., and get off the fox then get back to me...

        A.) Lay off the personal attacks.

        B.) Your ideology is bankrupt. Proof enough is the fact that it sounds more like you're trying to convince yourself that these brain dead theories are actually remedies.

        • 1 vote
        #2.24 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:51 AM EST
        Randy McMurphy

        Matt in MN
        Ummm, Thats why I added the effective rate was 60%

        It was also very rare for a dual income household.

        Thats kind of my point...M-A-R-G-I-N-A-L rates vs E-F-F-E-C-I-T-I-V-E rates ,Higher marginal rates induce investment, lower marginal rates induce divestment and speculation. You spend in the real economy to get bring down your marginal rate so your effective rate is around 40-50% of what the marginal rate is, that is the goal, not so much to get much more income from top earners, but the increased economic activity their spending to get to their lowest effective rate....Thats why the period between the 40's to 80's were superior in job creation, Growth and income equity was superior than the last 30 years

        having income rates minus expenses and deductions above 250K 3.5 or 4% works just fine, Just look at the Clinton years.

        Obviously not. Clinton is tied for the largest expansion of income disparity in recorded history (7.2%).

        But 23 million jobs were created under Clinton and his tax rates, vs just 13% of Clintons record under Bush after his tax cuts.And the debt was shrinking at a rapid pace as opposed to the prior 12 years and next 8;

        Its true income inequity increased under Clinton...it started under Nixon and has continued, increasing taxes on the next income bracket is not the cause of that.

        Annual Change of debt by president overall and annually ,respectively

        Reagan ;+19.4% +2.4%

        Bush ;+11% +2.7%

        Clinton ;-8.8% -1.1%

        Bush ;+12.8% +1.6%

        I just commented, I'm not arguing...as I said under those high marginal rates we were doing better, we were paying off our debt, still the worlds creditor, in comes the "fiscal conservatives", Reagan avg deficit and debt 250 billion a year, Bush1 360 billion a year and Bush 2 680 billion a years.

        This is where I have to argue with you. Reagan was not a fiscal conservative. He was a Republican, but, hardly fiscally conservative. Reagan expanded the role of the federal government to unimaginable levels. In fact, I would put Reagan in the same sentence as Roosevelt for expanding the federal government.

        Thats my point..But he ran as a fiscal conservative, all the last 3 republicans did, but they did not practice it...if you look at Eisenhower,Nixon and Ford to the left of these 3 , they were more conservative fiscally, didn't borrow above the rate of GDP growth...If you go back further, the 20's conservatives...they paid down the war debt while cutting income taxes...but they also raised revenue by re-implemnting huge tariffs and excise taxes...running up incredible amounts of debt during peacetime would have been an anathema to them...I disagree with them on some issues but not on that...it makes me feel like it is true that a strategy to intentionally blow up deficits so as to cut the social safety net is in effect , as Jude Winnoski had conceived it...here we had an economist complaining that deficits that averaged perhaps 31 billion annually from 1969 to 81 and then in comes Reagan/Bush and that turns into an average 291 billion annually...how could that not be by design?

        In 2003, Senator Rick Santorum
        (R-Pa.) declared: "I came to the House as a real deficit hawk, but I am no longer a
        deficit hawk. I'll tell you why. I had to spend the surpluses. Deficits make it easier to
        say no"

        That isn't conservatism to me...that is dangrous and puts at risk tht which one seeks to conserve

        Idiocy? Hit the books, jr., and get off the fox then get back to me...

        A.) Lay off the personal attacks.

        "I'm tired of arguing with the absolute idiocy of your ideology"

        Lkewise, pal

        B.) Your ideology is bankrupt. Proof enough is the fact that it sounds more like you're trying to convince yourself that these brain dead theories are actually remedies.

        Nonsense .Republicans never have created the environment for superior private sector Job creation, economic growth, bond yields or returns for the S&P the meat n potatoes of 401ks than Democrats have, boom bust economies , great depressions and recessions , myopic job growth is the republican proven track record...

        • 8 votes
        #2.25 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:08 PM EST
        Matt in MN

        "I'm tired of arguing with the absolute idiocy of your ideology"

        That's an attack on your argument. It's not a personal attack. You should do a better job of differentiating between the two. It might save you a suspension or two. Just because your idea's and your comments thus far, can not be described as anything more than idiotic and moronic - doesn't mean that you are. It simply means that your position is idiotic and moronic.

        Telling someone they need "hit the books" is not an attack on their argument - it's an attack on the person. Calling someone "jr" is not attacking their position - it's attacking the person.

        And I'm not your "pal".

        Nonsense .Republicans never have created the environment for superior private sector Job creation, economic growth, bond yields or returns for the S&P the meat n potatoes of 401ks than Democrats have, boom bust economies , great depressions and recessions , myopic job growth is the republican proven track record...

        Are you trying to convince me or yourself at this point?

        • 1 vote
        #2.26 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:15 PM EST
        johny-388777

        This is where I have to argue with you. Reagan was not a fiscal conservative. He was a Republican, but, hardly fiscally conservative. Reagan expanded the role of the federal government to unimaginable levels. In fact, I would put Reagan in the same sentence as Roosevelt for expanding the federal government.

        Thats the fact. What is worse is the Repubs make up lies and talk and talk and waste time. The kochsuckers would be so proud of the lies.

        Republicans never have created the environment for superior private sector Job creation, economic growth, bond yields or returns for the S&P the meat n potatoes of 401ks than Democrats have, boom bust economies , great depressions and recessions , myopic job growth is the republican proven track record...

        It is true. Republicans just lie and make up facts. That is another fact.

        follow the money

        here's another one for you:

        "Federal Reserve Seeks To Protect U.S. Bailout Secrets":

        http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a4PnUdySIink

        'funds were spent by the administration of former President George W. Bush with little accountability or transparency.'

        • 7 votes
        #2.27 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:42 PM EST
        Randy McMurphy

        Matt in MN
        "I'm tired of arguing with the absolute idiocy of your ideology"

        That's an attack on your argument. It's not a personal attack. You should do a better job of differentiating between the two. It might save you a suspension or two. Just because your idea's and your comments thus far, can not be described as anything more than idiotic and moronic - doesn't mean that you are. It simply means that your position is idiotic and moronic.

        Pal, When you say "YOUR" ideology, you attack me, as your is a possessive adjective, singling me out specificaly, I was attacking your shallow depth of understanding on which you speak in such a bellicose manner. I take it by your further attacks on me specifically, and lack of data to counter my facts you are mad, and want to make me angry... which is akin to getting angry at my egg timer. I don't begrudge my egg timer so I certainly don't intend to get mad at an ideological counterpart on the interwebs.

        Telling someone they need "hit the books" is not an attack on their argument - it's an attack on the person. Calling someone "jr" is not attacking their position - it's attacking the person.

        Merely means I wish you to learn more before you post, not an attack on your person, nor your intelligence

        And I'm not your "pal".

        Nonsense .Republicans never have created the environment for superior private sector Job creation, economic growth, bond yields or returns for the S&P the meat n potatoes of 401ks than Democrats have, boom bust economies , great depressions and recessions , myopic job growth is the republican proven track record...

        Are you trying to convince me or yourself at this point?

        More like speaking over you directing it more at the moderate conservative and independents who still might listen to reason...

        Here is the actual GAO record of jobs created beginning with President Herbert Hoover:

        Herbert Hoover R1929-1933-6.4 Mil

        Franklin Roosevelt D1933-1937+5.5 Mil

        Franklin Roosevelt D1937-1941+3.3 Mil

        Franklin Roosevelt D1941-1945+7.4 Mil

        Roosevelt/Truman D1945-1949+2.8 Mil

        Harry Truman D1949-1953 +5.5 Mil

        Dwight Eisenhower R1953-1957+2.7 Mil

        Dwight Eisenhower R1957-1961+0.8 Mil

        Kennedy/Johnson D1961-1965+5.9 Mil

        Lyndon Johnson D1965-1969+9.9 Mil

        Richard Nixon R1969-1973+6.2 Mil

        Nixon/Ford R1973-1977+5.1 Mil

        Jimmy Carter D1977-1981+10.3 Mil

        Ronald Reagan R1981-1985+5.3 Mil

        Ronald Reagan R1985-1989+10.8 Mil

        George H. W. Bush R1989-1993+2.6 Mil

        Bill Clinton D1993-1997+11.5 Mil

        Bill Clinton D 1997-2001+11.2 Mil

        George W. Bush R2001-2005+0.01 Mil

        George W. Bush R2005-2009+1.1 Mil

        Surprise: Dems are better for rallies
        Despite 'market friendly' Republican policies, stocks rise more and volatility dips under Democrats.

        Democratic Bounce

        Since 1929, Republicans and Democrats have each controlled the presidency for nearly 40 years. So which party has been better for American pocketbooks and capitalism as a whole? Well, here's an experiment: imagine that during these years you had to invest exclusively under either Democratic or Republican administrations. How would you have fared?
        http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2008/10/14/opinion/20081014_OPCHART.html

        • 7 votes
        #2.28 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:43 AM EST
        ThaPyngwyn

        Randy McMurphy,

        I don't want to get squished in between your giant arguments, but while your last linked article (the NYTimes.com investment growth charts) is interesting, a closer look shows investing under Republicans to be the better deal.

        My takeaways from that article are (assuming a president is to be held accountable for the economy under his watch) that 1) the Depression was horrible, 2) Dubya and Nixon were really bad for the economy, 3) Clinton was an awesome president, and 4) Republican presidents are, in general, better for investments (to the tune of about 3%) than Democratic ones.

        Not sure this is the conclusion that you or the writer/compiler of that article wants us to reach, but there it is.

          #2.29 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 5:23 PM EST
          ThaPyngwyn

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            #2.30 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 5:23 PM EST
            Randy McMurphy

            9ThaPyngwyn

            I understand where you could see that...but you omitted Hoovers precipitous drop , and that Eisenhower was very progressive , I do like ike.. It doesn't show Reagans Black monday to which the economy didn't recover fully till 93, and ignores that most people in 401Ks and IRAs have diverse portfolios, so bond returns would be as important as stock market returns .

            Aside from that the comparison is meant to be studied as if the terms were contiguous uniparty leadership...I would also point out that the worst economic calamities occurred under republican administrations, the great depression, Black monday and S&L debacle, the great recession , so they might have impressive growth numbers, but they also have boom and crushing bust cycles.

            • 6 votes
            #2.31 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:10 PM EST
            ThaPyngwyn

            Points well taken.

            • 4 votes
            #2.32 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:08 PM EST
            Reply
            Shelby Davenport

            Yeah, and the members of Congress shouting and having a sh*t hemorrhage when he said he wants to stop the practice of their insider trading. Woops - and tell me why I want to be a member of congress again? Cutting my chances of lining my pockets with ill gotten gains? Well crap!

            • 38 votes
            #3 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:11 PM EST
            Tink-2285193

            Agreed, Shelby. That really did make a lot of faces fall big time. Like, why else is the any reason to be in Congress. And I was waiting for them to show Cantor's face, as he is making millions betting against his own country. I am sure he was crapping little green worms on that statement.

            • 24 votes
            #3.1 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:16 AM EST
            GA GUY

            Heard a comment from that chuckle-headed Chris Matthews about wanting to know what the President was talking about on the insider-trading front...but Maddow slapped him politely back into place with the facts so artfully; everyone else on the panel just let it pass so as not to embarrass him further...

            • 22 votes
            #3.2 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 2:42 AM EST
            real michaud

            And I was waiting for them to show Cantor's face, as he is making millions betting against his own country

            Are we going to run someone good against this dead weight in Congress...this guy and the rest like have to go.

            • 15 votes
            #3.3 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:43 AM EST
            ERich-356044

            That WAS a beautiful moment, when the POTUS talked about how it was wrong to bet against the country, and the practices that Cantor has been doing.

            • 15 votes
            #3.4 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:45 AM EST
            thisbusymonster

            Are we going to run someone good against this dead weight in Congress...this guy and the rest like have to go

            Yes we are. His name is Wayne Powell.

            I get a nice bonus in about a month. I plan on giving Wayne a boost. Anything to get that arrogant sociopath Cantor out of public office.

            • 9 votes
            #3.5 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:48 AM EST
            mountainmike-1199289

            Cantor is in bed with Wall Street. Literally! His wife is an ex Goldman Sachs executive and is currently a banking executive. She was most likely the banker that made his "short" investment that would have meant profits if the US economy tanked.

            Can someone from his district tell me why he keeps getting re elected?

            Cantor Promises Oil Speculators That GOP Will Block Financial Regulations

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcXJR7eZ_jQ

            Straight from the weasel's mouth without editorializing.

            • 12 votes
            #3.6 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:57 AM EST
            johny-388777

            ha ha ha. Cantor is a spineless corporate whore who needs to go to jail.

            I just hope Cantor brings Boehner along and he can surely really cry when he is jail.

            • 5 votes
            #3.7 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:58 PM EST
            johny-388777

            I will agree after watching the State of the Union three times its brilliant. It gets better every time I watch it.

            Obama said a lot of good things.

            The scumbag said that It would be damaging for Obama to find criminals in banking rather then settle? IT tells me the conservatives are in the pocket of the banks.

            On the pbs new hours Glen Kesseler said he did know what the Phony profits where about?

            Glen Kesseler must be a F+King Moron. The banks made up fake profits from accounting control fraud so they can pay the bonuses. They are carrying bad mortgages forward to the next year or after to make sure that they have profits. The problem is that these losses will be eventually released.

            Why is it fraud? The problem is that the losses are so big that they are bigger then 10 years of profits.

            • 4 votes
            #3.8 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:29 AM EST
            Alex. CA

            Why would banks want to pay bonuses if they are not making money?? Their competitors that are not acting stupid would drive them out of business.

            • 2 votes
            #3.9 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:55 AM EST
            Jack TX

            Make no mistake, they never WANT to pay bonuses. In many cases, they are contractually obligated to pay them based on something like longevity or individual job performance.

            • 1 vote
            #3.10 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:51 AM EST
            johny-388777

            Alex. CA

            Why would banks want to pay bonuses if they are not making money?? Their competitors that are not acting stupid would drive them out of business.

            Jack TX

            Make no mistake, they never WANT to pay bonuses. In many cases, they are contractually obligated to pay them based on something like longevity or individual job performance.

            Thats a load of Phoey, They did act stupid and are @!$%#ing Stupid. Its not the banks. Its individual executives had oversight and failed and the government bailed them out. COmpetition my a++. Prove it.

            They had no contract to pay bonuses. They only pay if there is a profit. They did not have to pay anyone . Contract mY a++,Prove it?

            The insidious lies of the banksters are paying the corporate whores to come on here and spread lies.

            Alex and Jack are you both getting paid by the word or hour to work for the conservative F+ckers who are really more liberal the liberals? to f+k over the USA.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA_MkJB84VA The best way to rob a bank, is to own it.

            We had the biggest crime wave in the history of the world. The executives need to be put in jail and even shot. These guys littled killed thousands of americans.

            follow the money

            here's another one for you:

            "Federal Reserve Seeks To Protect U.S. Bailout Secrets":

            http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a4PnUdySIink

            'funds were spent by the administration of former President George W. Bush with little accountability or transparency.'

            • 3 votes
            #3.11 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:35 PM EST
            Alex. CA

            They had no contract to pay bonuses. They only pay if there is a profit. They did not have to pay anyone . Contract mY a++,Prove it?

            Are these real profits or ""fake profits"""? What do you mean when you say """ fake profits""?

            • 3 votes
            #3.12 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:46 PM EST
            Alex. CA

            If you think that bank executives are stupid, you can always go in the banking industry yourself and drive them out of business.

            • 3 votes
            #3.13 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:51 PM EST
            johny-388777

            Alex. CA

            If you think that bank executives are stupid, you can always go in the banking industry yourself and drive them out of business.

            I know they are stupid. OH yea I just start up a bank in my garage. The malarkey. That shows you know nothing about what you talk about. A huge business started decades ago and made up of thousands of human beings. You can't start over night.

            The typical repub talking points are usually just stupid. Romney said if you dont like banks, dont put your money in them. Thats the stupidest most moronic thing to say. Tells me that Romney is a f+king sh+t for brains moron.

            1. The executives and other scum do not own the banks. The banks are owned by the stockholders and also by the tax payers. They f+cked up. Anyone who says the banks are not run by idiots? Why the bailouts? Why did they go and beg for the bail outs?

            Why did Obama say he is creating a special unit to get these crooks?

            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2032585/Alistair-Darling-book-blasts-arrogant-stupid-bankers.html

            http://www.theonion.com/articles/bank-executives-on-15th-floor-gambling-on-which-oc,26565/

            http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/mikeshedlock/2011/09/26/taxpayers_hit_for_stupid_loans_by_stupid_banks/page/full/

            WE can even go on conserative websites and see how they talk about the banks.

            THe key thing is individuals are accountable for the actions and they are still there. Why? They have connections. I hope that these rich folk get there day in court and do some jail time to protect the public.

            Stop the B.S talking points about the banks had laws to be forced to lend to poor folk.

            THat is a Fu+king lie. SHow me where there is a law like that? It only exists in the mind of the repubs who are criminally insane.

            Newt and Romney need to have there assets seized and put on trail for high treason and then hanged in public view..

            • 3 votes
            #3.14 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:02 PM EST
            johny-388777

            Alex. CA

            They had no contract to pay bonuses. They only pay if there is a profit. They did not have to pay anyone . Contract mY a++,Prove it?

            Are these real profits or ""fake profits"""? What do you mean when you say """ fake profits""?

            Well you want answers. I give you answers.

            Read it yourself. There are thousands of links.

            http://www.usefulman.com/2011/06/21/your-bank-prints-fake-money/

            http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=11050

            Read it. They even stole the houses of guys fighting overseas. These Banksters in the banks need to go to jail in the minimum.

            Banks are not making any money in traditional lines of business—that is, by making loans. No one wants loans. The economy is down for the count. Other than pulling money out of loan loss reserves, banks can only make profits by revaluing assets.

            The write-downs of trashy mortgages need to be reversed. Banks trade trash with each other at higher prices, recording profits. They sell trash to the government at inflated prices—more on that below. And they jack up late fees on homeowners, credit card users, and other debtors. Even though none of those borrowers can actually pay the late fees, the banks book the revenue now.

            But here is the much bigger problem: the banks are getting sued from here to Pluto by homeowners, soldiers and sailors, Fannie and Freddie, PIMCO, the NYFed, and just about anybody with access to a lawyer. And, increasingly, the banks are losing.

            Read more: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-01-21/wall_street/29973360_1_banks-loan-loss-reserves-paperwork-problems#ixzz1kcInoCNO

            Thats is not the whole story. It is worse. They had so many settlements out of court. Its crazy. Only the crazies in the repubs /TP think it is ok.

            • 3 votes
            #3.15 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:13 PM EST
            Alex. CA

            It is up the the government to control economic growth and productivity. If the government can keep the economy growing and productivity increasing, the banks will continue being profitable and their value increasing.

            The government is not going to let the banks that are too big to fail, fail.

            • 2 votes
            #3.16 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:13 PM EST
            Jack TX

            Jack TX

            Make no mistake, they never WANT to pay bonuses. In many cases, they are contractually obligated to pay them based on something like longevity or individual job performance.

            Thats a load of Phoey, They did act stupid and are @!$%#ing Stupid. Its not the banks. Its individual executives had oversight and failed and the government bailed them out. COmpetition my a++. Prove it.

            Your comments demonstrate a lack of understanding that is juvenile at best and borders on infantile.

            There are many people working for financial firms who get bonuses based on a pre-defined set of criteria in their employment contract.

            For example, there were quite likely directors of sales and marketing at Countrywide mortgage whose contracts stipulated that they got bonuses if their sales teams generated X number of mortgages. So when Bank of America bought Countrywide, those bonuses became BAC's responsibility, despite the fact Countrywide had already started to lose money.

            There were VPs at AIG whose divisions met or exceeded their bonus targets. AIG was legally obligated to pay those bonuses regardless of the fact they were in the midst of a government bailout.

            It is not uncommon for a financial company buying out a competitor to promise longevity bonuses to the primary revenue producers. After all, it's not worth buying a stock broking firm if all the million dollar stock brokers jump ship.

            • 1 vote
            #3.17 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:39 PM EST
            johny-388777

            They did not . They lied. Its accounting control fraud.

            These people should go to jail but the SEC is protecting them.

            There were VPs at AIG whose divisions met or exceeded their bonus targets.

            A lie. When someone declares bankruptcy all contracts become void. The creditors should be paid first. That supersedes any contracts to executives.

            Do you even have any idea about corporate laws of insolvency? Bonuses and these contracts mean Sh+t.

            Why did Tim Geithner get fired?

            http://gozounlimited.newsvine.com/_news/2012/01/27/10252803-sigtarp-report-treasury-gave-the-go-ahead-to-big-pay-and-bonuses-at-bailed-outnbspcompanies

            He did not have to do this. Thats part of the reason why Geithner has to go.

            ANother lie is that stockholders gave the go ahead?

            No the real deal is that fund managers ( executives) let this go to sh+t. Have you ever wondered why your 401k is so sh+t.

            We have executives voting in failed deadbeat CEOs. Executives ( fund managers) vote on sh+t. This is something rarely discussed by either democrats or whatevercrats and especially never the S.O.Bs in the repubturd party the big sh+t stain in the congress.

            • 2 votes
            #3.18 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:41 PM EST
            johny-388777

            Seems like in this administration there was some effort to curb the abuses that the banks have hurled at consumers when it came to credit cards. That, for everyone but the banks, was hailed as “about time” legislation. Ethically, the banks have played less than fair with consumers. Personal example…my wife, who has spotless credit had a Bank of American card with a zero balance and substantial credit limit, received a letter from BofA increasing her interest rate to 22.9% from 8.9%. She called asking why and was told it was a mistake, but one that could not be undone. After expressing her deep dissatisfaction and then vowing (after she got off the phone not to ever use the card), she got a letter from Bank of America (just a week later) cutting her credit line by 75%. Ethical actions by Bank of America – yea right.

            Search this. You want to see how bad it is?


            • 3 votes
            #3.19 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:01 AM EST
            Reply
            euterpe-1641499

            The President nailed it! He finally, finally, focused on the positives. He laid them out - the growth in manufacturing sector, the job growth, the strong foreign policy, the positive changes to healthcare. This man brought us from the brink of economic collapse and interminable war - and he owned it. More than than, he spoke about fairness, both in our tax structure and in our social structure. And it just highlights how the Republicans continuing down paths that are squarely against this country's success. How stark the difference between the President and the Republican contenders.

            • 41 votes
            #4 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:23 PM EST
            redsfan

            This man brought us from the brink of economic collapse and interminable war - and he owned it. More than than, he spoke about fairness, both in our tax structure and in our social structure.

            You're right...he nailed it! He has been too timid in the past about standing up and saying "look at all the good things I've done...in spite of unprecedented obstruction and lies from the Tea Party Republicans"...They will call it a campaign speech, but why shouldn't he remind the American people of the reality of the last few years?

            • 35 votes
            #4.1 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:27 PM EST
            euterpe-1641499

            They will call it a campaign speech

            Yep, they will, redsfan. But historically, isn't that what all State of the Union speeches are? Remember Clinton using "the era of big government is over" in 1996? A classic Republican line. No one accused him of campaigning. It's only with this President that he is "accused" with campaigning. In truth - he's giving a well-crafted State of the Union address; as they should be.

            • 24 votes
            #4.2 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:36 PM EST
            Piletre

            euterpe-1641499, it makes no difference what President Obama says. There are those who will turn his positives into negatives. Those who hate our President can't hear what he says because their hatred stops up their ears, closes their minds and hardens their hearts. I thought his speech tonight was uplifting and forward looking with lots of optimism.
            I am so proud of our President... (but I worry every day about his safety...)

            • 27 votes
            #4.3 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:02 AM EST
            Arlene Tognetti

            Piletre

            You are correct, there are those you can't hear and won't hear what the President says: Their

            hatred and fear of him stops up their ears...good one very true!

            President Obama will kick ass, now, this speech will be followed up by action from the President, the GOP/Tea Party ain't seen nothing from our President yet

            • 29 votes
            #4.4 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:09 AM EST
            euterpe-1641499

            I thought his speech tonight was uplifting and forward looking with lots of optimism.

            Totally agree.

            • 26 votes
            #4.5 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:10 AM EST
            GA Girl-718836

            Epic Hate abounds. Keep drinking that tiger blood Republicans cause once the drinking game of doom and gloom and do nothing gets you drunk enough to say WINNING!!!! It'll be pretty much over.

            • 25 votes
            #4.6 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:48 AM EST
            SAtownMytown

            GA Girl-718836

            Epic Hate abounds. Keep drinking that tiger blood Republicans cause once the drinking game of doom and gloom and do nothing gets you drunk enough to say WINNING!!!! It'll be pretty much over.

            ^^^ RLMFAO!!!!!

            you rock, GAGirl-718836! :)

            • 16 votes
            #4.7 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:57 AM EST
            Thinknaboutit

            The Republicans have been busy campaigning for the past three years with lies and obstruction to further their goal of "making Obama a one term President". Obama may be campaigning now, but funny how Obama's campaigning wasn't about demonizing the opposition, it was about coming together as a nation. I like to think most Americans prefer the Obama message.

            • 20 votes
            #4.8 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:28 AM EST
            Ms CYPRAH

            funny how Obama's campaigning wasn't about demonizing the opposition, it was about coming together as a nation. I like to think most Americans prefer the Obama message.

            Absolutely. Good always wins over evil!

            • 15 votes
            #4.9 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:01 AM EST
            Shuklack

            I thought his speech tonight was uplifting and forward looking with lots of optimism.

            I was listening to the Laura Ingram show not long ago, and she was complaining about how we are never going to turn around this country with all the 'doom and gloom' negativity.

            She then turned around and railed on Obama for being too positive in his speeches and ignoring how horrible everything is and how it's all going down the tubes.

            This all occured in the same breath pretty much.

            • 12 votes
            #4.10 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:31 AM EST
            mountainmike-1199289

            Obama's speech was uplifting. Then we had a bunch of grumpy old white Republicans responding to his speech. I hope everyone sees the simple contrast. They have been doing this as their prime objective since day one of the Obama administration. Instead of fulfilling their oath of office to serve the American people. I hope people are sick and tired of the doom and gloom monotony from idiots like Mitch McConnell.

            • 12 votes
            #4.11 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:02 AM EST
            euterpe-1641499

            Shuklack and mike - you're both dead on correct. The doom and gloom has played well to the uber-conservative GOP audiences. They like to feel martyred. Oh the sacrifices they've had to make to endure Barack Obama! It's too ridiculous!

            • 11 votes
            #4.12 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:19 AM EST
            DancingSpiderman

            I enjoyed The President's impression of Captain Kirk (Star Trek The Original Series) during all that scolding and reassuring in the State Of The Onion Speech last night.

            I just wish the GOP would get behind the President Of The United States Of America and cooperate with him, instead of working against forward progress. When forward progress does not happen on any issue the POTUS has presented, uncooperative people have no business complaining about the result.

            Collaborate, people. It does not matter what you feel about a person in charge. It does not matter what you think about that person's Point Of View. Collaborate, or get out of the way.

            • 11 votes
            #4.13 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:21 PM EST
            johny-388777

            Obama's speech was uplifting. Then we had a bunch of grumpy old white Republicans responding to his speech. I hope everyone sees the simple contrast. They have been doing this as their prime objective since day one of the Obama administration. Instead of fulfilling their oath of office to serve the American people. I hope people are sick and tired of the doom and gloom monotony from idiots like Mitch McConnell

            Was it a good speech? Hell yes. What about the banksters fraud? How come the banks pay and the individuals who commit the crime go free?

            Why is it wrong? The stockholders via the funds are made up significantly by 401ks. The 401ks thus are paying for fines for the criminality.

            The individuals are not accountable, the firm is fined. Why? This is insane.

            • 6 votes
            #4.14 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:12 PM EST
            johny-388777

            In 2008, the house of cards collapsed. We learned that mortgages had been sold to people who couldn’t afford or understand them. Banks had made huge bets and bonuses with other people’s money. Regulators had looked the other way, or didn’t have the authority to stop the bad behavior.

            No, we will not go back to an economy weakened by outsourcing, bad debt, and phony financial profits. Tonight, I want to speak about how we move forward, and lay out a blueprint for an economy that’s built to last

            Go Obama. This shows he is on top of the problem.

            We’ll also establish a Financial Crimes Unit of highly trained investigators to crack down on large-scale fraud and protect people’s investments. Some financial firms violate major anti-fraud laws because there’s no real penalty for being a repeat offender. That’s bad for consumers, and it’s bad for the vast majority of bankers and financial service professionals who do the right thing. So pass legislation that makes the penalties for fraud count.

            And tonight, I’m asking my Attorney General to create a special unit of federal prosecutors and leading state attorney general to expand our investigations into the abusive lending and packaging of risky mortgages that led to the housing crisis. (Applause.) This new unit will hold accountable those who broke the law, speed assistance to homeowners, and help turn the page on an era of recklessness that hurt so many Americans.

            Mahahahahahaha. :)

            • 4 votes
            #4.15 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:31 AM EST
            DancingSpiderman

            Here Here, Johnny ! Good call.

            Also, the CEOs and top level managers of the failed Investment Banks should NEVER have been allowed to have their bonuses. In the real business world, failures DO NOT get paid bonuses. WHY are these failures/criminals getting rewarded? Criminal Behavior is rampant on Wall Street.

            • 5 votes
            #4.16 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:54 AM EST
            Alex. CA

            That move will get votes from OWS.

            • 3 votes
            #4.17 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:04 AM EST
            Jack TX

            Go Obama. This shows he is on top of the problem.

            I think you mean it shows he understand how little his supporters understand the problem. Much of what he says is very obviously silly pandering that he can not possibly hope to actually execute.

              #4.18 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:57 AM EST
              johny-388777

              Jack TX

              Go Obama. This shows he is on top of the problem.

              I think you mean it shows he understand how little his supporters understand the problem. Much of what he says is very obviously silly pandering that he can not possibly hope to actually execute.

              NO Jack TX, you are in a time machine . Its only true if you change it like this

              Go George W Bush Obama,. This shows he is on top of the problem.

              That is a lie.

              Obama gave an uplifting speech and gives hope that these criminals are not let free to f+k over the USA and destroy what trust is left. Its insidious like the comments of the paid conservatives ( who think open marriage is a good thing, how is that conservative? oxymoron) .

              Jack you are earning your keep ha. Do they pay you $8.hr?

              • 4 votes
              #4.19 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:53 PM EST
              johny-388777

              http://www.yesmagazine.org/new-economy/homeowners-rebellion-could-62-million-homes-be-foreclosure-proof

              This is it people.

              http://www.ourfuture.org/features/no-sweetheart-deal-big-banks

              • 3 votes
              #4.20 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:43 AM EST
              Reply
              B.L. Frazer (NYC)

              The President Nailed his speech and the republicans by referring to the successes of military missions being dependent on everyone working together for the good of the mission, despite their race/ethnicity, political affiliations, gender, sexual preference, etc. All members come together to do their job for the purpose of the mission. No grandstanding, No upstaging. The mission comes first.

              The Joint Chiefs looked proud ! The Republicans looked shown up. For how can they praise the military, and yet continue to obstruct the President in his agenda. They will of course, but they are exposed, even to their own blind sheep supporters.

              • 28 votes
              Reply#5 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:52 PM EST
              Arlene Tognetti

              B.L. Frazer Agree with you!

              SO TRUE! the Joint Chiefs looked proud!! And they were!!

              Great speech, the GOP were shown up...ITs a good night for America!!

              • 25 votes
              #5.1 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:11 AM EST
              real michaud

              We are so going to "nail" the republicans this fall...we need to throw everything we have at them. Divide and conquer them, made them depressed, disillusioned, and distraught. Dissolution and depress their voters not to turn out. Make this election a landslide of historic proportions that it actually smushes the rightwing for ever!

              • 11 votes
              #5.2 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:46 AM EST
              mstanley2265

              Well, my House of Rep representative uses a KY home address as his, and spends more time in DC ....

              • 5 votes
              #5.3 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:02 AM EST
              mountainmike-1199289

              The 2010 elections were decided upon just a 37 to 41 percent voter turn out. That's the perfect storm for a right wing minority faction like the Tea Party. They could win with as little as 19 to 21 percent of votes from eligible voters.

              We need a majority if not a large majority showing up at the ballot box in 2012. The Tea Party has been described previously (Palin supporters) as the "Sea of White." The "Ocean of Diversity needs to show up at the ballot boxes in 2012. Yes, I am talking about ELIGIBLE voters that may have to fight their way through Republican voter BS voter registration rules. In contrast to right wing Republicans that can lock step their true believers to the ballot box.

              • 10 votes
              #5.4 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:10 AM EST
              wuzateecher

              And again there was a mission taking place as he spoke. I like this man's poker face.

              Yet his smile is so genuine it lights up the room. (Watch the crowds behind Obama and the Republicans. Obama's crowds are happy, the others are sad and worried.)

              • 3 votes
              #5.5 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:17 PM EST
              Reply
              YELLOW DOG D.

              One of the best! Told the truth! I could listen again and still cheer. You could almost hear the underroos being sucked into their asses when he spoke about insider trading. Thank you Redsfan.

              • 27 votes
              Reply#6 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:57 PM EST
              mstanley2265

              gave them a wedgie didn't it? lol

              • 22 votes
              #6.1 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:03 AM EST
              euterpe-1641499

              gave them a wedgie didn't it? lol

              LOL! Well said!

              • 20 votes
              #6.2 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:11 AM EST
              D Luniz-1282741

              Ill admit

              I was only watching to see if Bohner's head exploded

              • 22 votes
              #6.3 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:13 AM EST
              Tink-2285193

              D Luniz-1282741- Not likely...his head looked like it was too full of cigarette smoke and brain pharts to really think about anything.

              • 18 votes
              #6.4 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:46 AM EST
              mountainmike-1199289

              Grumpy old white men with wedgies about summarizes it. ( ^:

              I suppose if you fixate on wedge issues long enough you develop a wedgie.

              • 6 votes
              #6.5 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:15 AM EST
              Reply
              GoldenGateMami_Susi

              I can't remember a more optimistic speech in a more subdued environment even from the Democratic side.

              And I can't remember ever feeling like at last a SOTU speech that wasn't geared at getting the room to applaud but to put the room ON NOTICE and hopefully shut up and listen and GET THE COUNTRY TO APPLAUD.

              He's going after Congress. Yeeeeeeeeeeeeehaw. Taste the rainbow bitches!

              Git r Done Mr. President.

              Bravo.

              • 39 votes
              Reply#7 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:34 AM EST
              wuzateecher

              It was great to hear him say the things we yell at the TV all the time. But didn't he state them well?

              The best part is that they had to sit and listen. But, do they hear the angst we're feeling? I don't think they care anyway. Every angry 99%er is a vote you idiots!

              • 8 votes
              #7.1 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:59 PM EST
              GoldenGateMami_Susi

              I just wish for once a president would get up to that podium and just go bat@!$%# crazy base off on that body....rip them all a new one....

              And then....

              Get to the State of the Union.

              Just once.

              • 6 votes
              #7.2 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:13 PM EST
              Reply
              B.L. Frazer (NYC)

              Lee Daniels and the GOP response - "The sky is falling, Stand with us or else!"

              Chicken Little rides again. -

              (LOL) Taste the Rainbow Bitches!

              • 25 votes
              Reply#8 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:36 AM EST
              Tink-2285193

              Yeah..and Indiana Gov Mitch Daniels was doing nothing but telling lies and more lies about everything the President said. I once felt he had a bit of intelligence in his head, but, after tonight's speech as a follow-up to the SOTU, he convinced me that he is as stupid and big a games player as the rest of the GOPTeaBags.

              • 21 votes
              #8.1 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:50 AM EST
              SoFlDem

              I thought I was watching the SyFy channel when Daniels was rebutting. Is he supposed to be the GOP's "great white hope?" What a knucklehead!

              • 21 votes
              #8.2 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:02 AM EST
              Bluebird Sister

              I'm from Indiana and I can testify with certainty that Mitch is a bitch. He is gone from the Gov

              after 2012, but guess who is running for his govnaship? Mike @!$%#ing Pence. A woman hater

              and GOP vampire.

              • 19 votes
              #8.3 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:04 AM EST
              SAtownMytown

              SoFlDem

              I thought I was watching the SyFy channel when Daniels was rebutting. Is he supposed to be the GOP's "great white hope?" What a knucklehead!

              ^^^ LOL!!! No, he's hype like the rest of the repugliCONS.

              he was using the old scare tactics that was used three years ago. Just like when they said, "The obama admin will kill your grandmothers!!", Daniels was saying, "Obama's bringing the nation to ruins, our only hope is to go to the repugliCONS side!"

              Knucklehead, indeed. :)

              • 18 votes
              #8.4 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:13 AM EST
              Reply
              common sense-353470

              That was a great State of the Union speech.

              • 19 votes
              Reply#9 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:40 AM EST
              JJM-4236845

              That can't be the best the GOP can come up with, is it?

              • 20 votes
              Reply#10 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:48 AM EST
              maria lyn

              I really hate having to listen to the repubs: rebutual. They are always so negative I can't stand it. Especially after a good speech.

              • 18 votes
              #10.1 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:07 AM EST
              B.L. Frazer (NYC)

              I wonder if Mitch McDonnell will go the way of the ghost of GOP SOTU responsers of the Past.

              Remember Bobby Jindel, Gov. of Louisiana - The Mr. Rogers approach was terrible. He gave his response from Colonel Sanders House. Dude sucked! - Now he's on the fast track to ass-crack.

              what about Bob McDonnell, Gov. of Virginia - Smiling Like He was giving an acceptance speech surrounded by staff and family. Really? - He looked awkward, like he was saying in his head. "Don't screw this up Bobby!"

              What about Paul Ryan of Wisconsin - Like Jindel, you don't even here about Wonder Boy anymore. After the Social Security fiasco, he has been neutered. The Seniors were gathering like villagers with pitchforks for his ass. Haven't seen him since.

              Remember, even Michele Bachmann took a crack at it, representing the Teabaggers. She kept looking into the wrong camera. Damn, she's a dumb-ass! Don't you all just miss her Mary Tyler Moore meets I Love Lucy antics.

              • 18 votes
              #10.2 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:14 AM EST
              Bluebird Sister

              Miss Bachmann? Yeah, she was good fodder for my stupid political poetry. Mitch is my Govna.

              He is on his last term, but Mike @!$%#ing Pence is running for his govnaship. I can vote against Pence, a woman hating religious @!$%#.

              • 13 votes
              #10.3 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:22 AM EST
              Hempluva

              Pence is a douche. He should be easy to beat if the dems run a decent candidate.

              • 15 votes
              #10.4 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:39 AM EST
              SoFlDem

              Remember Bobby Jindel, Gov. of Louisiana - The Mr. Rogers approach was terrible. He gave his response from Colonel Sanders House. Dude sucked!

              Yeah that rebuttal really did suck but he did a great Alfred E. Newman impersonation. Loved the tie- I think I had one like that in 1960.

              • 15 votes
              #10.5 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:41 AM EST
              Reply
              Bluebird Sister

              GOP ! Don't lie to me! I'm someone! I'm somebody! I'm not invisible, and a Nobody!

              I have a heart, I have a brain, don't piss on my leg and tell me it's rain!

              I'm not an invented person, made of atmosphere,I'm standing right in front of you, this human being here!

              So treat me some dignity, GOP DON'T LIE TO ME!

              • 18 votes
              Reply#11 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:09 AM EST
              Wizeguy

              ...they will do more than piss down our legs and tell us it's raining their aim will be much higher...

              Thats from my statement #1.19 above...you nailed it Blue....

              • 14 votes
              #11.1 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:02 AM EST
              Reply
              wjm5-0

              That comment about insider trading is what knocked the ball out of the park!!

              Wonder who he was talking about...surely not our most vaunted and honest elected senators and congressmen who allow big business lobbyists to wander in and out of the sacred halls of the nation's Capitol. (Big a$$ snark)

              This must be the case, even though they swore to do their duty for their constituents who elected them. So far, all I've seen them do is lie and distort and block progress.

              Who the heck do these elected officials think they are fooling when they spend millions and millions to be re-elected to a government job that pays somewhere between $130,000 and $170,000 a year.

              There must be a great big cookie jar with a 'help yourself if you do things our way' sign on the outside of it, put there by Corporate America and Wall Street, sitting out of the sight of the People and this is 'insider trading' payback for selling out the American Middleclass.

              In your face!!!

              Go for it, Mr. President, we got your back.

              • 25 votes
              Reply#12 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:18 AM EST
              Thinknaboutit

              Having his back will unfortunately mean supporting him when he has to make unpopular choices like vetoing payroll taxcuts tied to oil-pipelines.

              • 9 votes
              #12.1 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:45 AM EST
              Reply
              Bluebird Sister

              I like the fact that there is going to be investigations into the financial collapse. Much needed in my opinion.

              • 16 votes
              #13 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:27 AM EST
              buckeyenut-2225921

              I like the fact there will be investigations too but investigations are meaningless if heads don't roll. I'm willing to bet nothing comes from it and it will end up costing us money to do nothing in the end.

              • 1 vote
              #13.1 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:06 AM EST
              Thinknaboutit

              I'm willing to bet nothing comes from it and it will end up costing us money to do nothing in the end.

              If you are so sure the investigations are going to be a waste of time and money, then why start your statement with you like the fact they will happen? Flip-flopping in the same statement is a bit absurd don't you think?

              • 8 votes
              #13.2 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:55 AM EST
              buckeyenut-2225921

              Thinkaboutit,

              I like the IDEA in theory but in reality I just don't think anyone has the courage to do what is right. Hope this clears things up for you.

                #13.3 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:08 AM EST
                Thinknaboutit

                I like the fact

                Contrary to what some Americans seem to think, ideas are not facts.

                • 5 votes
                #13.4 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:14 AM EST
                buckeyenut-2225921

                Think,

                Did the president say there were going to be investigations?

                  #13.5 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:09 PM EST
                  buckeyenut-2225921

                  "And tonight, I’m asking my Attorney General to create a special unit of federal prosecutors and leading state attorney general to expand our investigations into the abusive lending and packaging of risky mortgages that led to the housing crisis. (Applause.) This new unit will hold accountable those who broke the law, speed assistance to homeowners, and help turn the page on an era of recklessness that hurt so many Americans."

                  I like the FACT that we will investigate those considered responsible. I believe this is a good IDEA. I don't feel that anyone has the courage to do anything to those responsible since many different panels have been created and looked into many different issues with little real action once a finding is made. I hope this clears things up for you but I hate that I had to spell it out for you.

                  • 1 vote
                  #13.6 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:16 PM EST
                  Thinknaboutit

                  I don't feel that anyone has the courage to do anything to those responsible since many different panels have been created and looked into many different issues with little real action once a finding is made. I hope this clears things up for you but I hate that I had to spell it out for you.

                  And you still missed my point even though you "had to spell it out" for me. If you feel nothing is going to be done, and hence it will have been a waste of resources, why do you like the FACT or IDEA of it? Do you perhaps stand to gain financially from these investigations? What is the incentive for you if you have already concluded it will not be effective? I'm running out of ways to express this point, so I'm going to have to say you either get it or you don't.

                  • 5 votes
                  #13.7 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:19 PM EST
                  buckeyenut-2225921

                  Thinknaboutit,

                  Think about it a while then get back to me. I'm not going to argue with you for the sake of arguing since you are having a hard time comprehending my point. It's not like I'm talking in circles or changing my opinion but for some reason you just seem incapable of understanding what I'm getting at and merely want to argue. I might suggest you find a hobby to pass some time unless this is it, then get a life.

                    #13.8 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 2:07 PM EST
                    EJCanavan

                    Investigations do NOT equal prosecutions. Another waste of resources and another useless government "special unit".

                      #13.9 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:29 PM EST
                      huskergal

                      Well, it depends. People have taken a stand and got us to the investigations. Now people are watching and waiting. We shall see.

                      • 1 vote
                      #13.10 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:55 PM EST
                      wuzateecher

                      Even without proscecutions, we can at least find out what really happened and maybe do something to prevent it from happening again. That is if we vote the right combination of "in" and "out" for the Congress. They're the problem as all of us who can think straight are well aware.

                      Remember: No ballot no bitchin. Vote!!!

                      • 3 votes
                      #13.11 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:33 PM EST
                      wuzateecher

                      Even without proscecutions, we can at least find out what really happened and maybe do something to prevent it from happening again. That is if we vote the right combination of "in" and "out" for the Congress. They're the problem as all of us who can think straight are well aware.

                      Remember: No ballot no b&%$"ng. Vote!!!

                      • 2 votes
                      #13.12 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:34 PM EST
                      wuzateecher

                      Even without proscecutions, we can at least find out what really happened and maybe do something to prevent it from happening again. That is if we vote the right combination of "in" and "out" for the Congress. They're the problem as all of us who can think straight are well aware.

                      Remember: We must Vote this time!!!

                      • 1 vote
                      #13.13 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:35 PM EST
                      wuzateecher

                      Sorry, This kept saying it wasn't posting. Please ignore the extra ones, ok?

                      • 3 votes
                      #13.14 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:37 PM EST
                      Bluebird Sister

                      I think you are right! I heard Beau Biden on tv today saying that he is going on with some

                      investigations and would welcome some feds to help investigate. He mentioned that there

                      are other prosecutors and governors trying to get help investigating. He also said that some

                      of the banks are wanting to settle out of court and the banks think they will be able to

                      settle as to stop investigations. Go Beau!

                      • 6 votes
                      #13.15 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:54 PM EST
                      tesla013

                      So.........The President still blames Bush. Still thinks he should be able to abolish the separation of powers and bypass congress whenever he feels the need. And has slyly implied that he made more money this year failing at his job, than he did the previous year. This was not a State of the Union address....... It was a list of excuses.

                      • 1 vote
                      #13.16 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:50 PM EST
                      johny-388777

                      Bush was president not 20 years ago, not 10 years, only 3 years ago.

                      • 4 votes
                      #13.17 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:26 PM EST
                      Alex. CA

                      tesla013 Please provide proof that President Obama has issued more executive orders and signing statements than bush.

                      • 5 votes
                      #13.18 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:18 PM EST
                      Happily BLUE in Ohio

                      Let me lend a hand on those Executive Orders issued:

                      Bush: 290

                      Obama: 107

                      • 10 votes
                      #13.19 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:31 AM EST
                      Alex. CA

                      “Let us stand together to move our country forward, seeking .....common ground for the common good. We have made history; .......now let us make progress for the American people.”......- Speaker Pelosi, January 4, 2007.....

                      .http://www.democraticleader.gov/floor?id=0298......

                      Have you heard the repubs saying something like this?

                      • 7 votes
                      #13.20 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:36 AM EST
                      tesla013

                      Bout the only thing Obama has obliterated is America's savings and it's trust.

                      Hey Alex instead of how many why don't we compare what for?? Obama is a liar and an incompetent boob.

                      • 1 vote
                      #13.21 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:41 AM EST
                      mikebank

                      Dnftt

                      • 3 votes
                      #13.22 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:54 AM EST
                      tesla013

                      Define troll Mr.Bank. Reported TY.

                      • 1 vote
                      #13.23 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:17 AM EST
                      Maggie-602935

                      Some folks are perpetual Obama bashers and don't care what the true topic of an article may be. They post only to bash Obama, the left, liberals or Democrats. History proves this.

                      "Let us stand together" seems lofty, but not even in consideration for the GOP agenda...IMHO.

                      • 7 votes
                      #13.24 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:21 AM EST
                      redsfan

                      Some folks are perpetual Obama bashers and don't care what the true topic of an article may be.

                      LOL...I have to laugh, because that happens so, so many times on Newsvine. The topic can be something like an Arizona policy on textbooks, and certain people will pop in to say "Obama is arrogant" or "Obama is divisive"....and the rest of us are like "what"????

                      • 10 votes
                      #13.25 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:41 PM EST
                      Maggie-602935

                      Why, there outta be a law.... :)

                      • 6 votes
                      #13.26 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:06 PM EST
                      Reply
                      B.L. Frazer (NYC)

                      Alot of sphincters tightened up in the room when Obama mentioned investigating insider trading (LOL)

                      • 21 votes
                      Reply#14 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:32 AM EST
                      wjm5-0

                      Was that the farting sounds that erupted a couple times...?

                      I thought Eric Cantor was going to jump up and run off, redfaced and holding his breath, and the back of his pants.

                      (Mommy!!! I gotta go use it!!!)

                      I know....I need to take a xanax.

                      See ya'll in the late am. Been a ball.

                      • 16 votes
                      #14.1 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:40 AM EST
                      huskergal

                      Did anyone notice that Cantor was sitting alone - no one around him?

                      • 5 votes
                      #14.2 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:57 PM EST
                      fireryone

                      Would you want to sit next to him? I wouldn't. :)

                      • 9 votes
                      #14.3 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:58 PM EST
                      jmorris

                      Apparently Cantor couldn't get a Democratic "date"

                      • 7 votes
                      #14.4 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:17 AM EST
                      tesla013

                      That would certainly explain why the banks posted higher profits in Obama's first two years than in all 8 years of Bush........

                      • 1 vote
                      #14.5 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:43 AM EST
                      Alex. CA

                      If the DOW goes from 6,500 to 12,900. How difficult would it be for banks to make money?

                      • 7 votes
                      #14.6 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:53 AM EST
                      Reply
                      RNDiane

                      He came out fighting and it was wonderful to hear. I listened to him on NPR on the way home from work. I believe that President Obama is so on target for what he is trying to do for this country. And I believe he is sincere. I don't think he has some hidden agenda. I know that I will be voting for him again. And I wish so much that other members of the government that have been voted in by the people would come together and try to work on these issues with the president instead of trying to work against him. I can't help but think that were he a white man, all this would not be happening. It is a sad shame. And I tell you that if Newt get's elected, it will be a blight on America.

                      • 24 votes
                      Reply#15 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 2:44 AM EST
                      Socrates1

                      Just a bit selective isn't it?

                      • 4 votes
                      Reply#16 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:06 AM EST
                      UNA_Lion

                      Extreme partisans often are, but then I've become used to witnessing the high-fiving and back-slapping we see here on the Vine. Meanwhile, this continues unabated.

                      Unfortunately, the leading GOP type would conduct business no differently than would Mr. Obama - other than massive spending on different things. And Dr. Paul will once again be kept on the outside by the powerful elite.

                      All of our politicians are the one percent, leading the majority of the 99 percent around by their noses with empty promises and well-crafted sound bites. The millionaire with the most money raised will win ... again.

                      • 3 votes
                      #16.1 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:40 AM EST
                      ThaPyngwyn

                      Hi, I had to stop by on this post for some fresh air. I was drowning in the tingly feelings from the Obama supporters here.

                      I think you make a good point, UNA_Lion. Ron Paul is the most different candidate on display, including Obama. Neither Romney nor Gingrich will be markedly different from Obama, because in the end, the President doesn't have as much power as people seem to believe.

                      While we get all fluttery in the heart, or red in the face, over a particular or potential President, we allow Congress to perpetuate their evils unchecked. This is a republic, not a monarchy, and the President is not in charge of Congress, we are.

                      • 1 vote
                      #16.2 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:51 PM EST
                      huskergal

                      Right on the mark, 71.2. The President is 1/3 of the government. He has as much power as the legislature and of the Supreme Court. They all have equal power. We, the people, are the government. , the executive office, and the Supreme Court work for us. We seem to not care and the legislature and Supreme Court have long forgotten their roles.

                      • 3 votes
                      #16.3 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:05 PM EST
                      Reply
                      gmross

                      If the Republicans in congress wish to keep their jobs, the only thing that should come out of their mouths for the rest of the year had better be, "Ditto, Mr. President."

                      • 23 votes
                      Reply#17 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:17 AM EST
                      easyjjgrand3

                      President Obama shattered everything that the Republican Party claims to stand for tonight. If the GOP is the party of the few, Barack Obama's State Of The Union was an address to the many.

                      • 13 votes
                      #17.1 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:30 AM EST
                      johny-388777

                      I like what I said. Its good stuff.

                      It is uplifting.

                      • 5 votes
                      #17.2 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:39 PM EST
                      johny-388777

                      I Like what he said. ha ha.

                      • 4 votes
                      #17.3 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:43 PM EST
                      Reply
                      Wizeguy

                      What we have today is the result of 30 years of voo doo and bad mo jo..the GOP held both houses and the Presidency from 2000 to 2006 and did nothing for the middle class. The deficit skyrocketed and when the house of cards fell apart (4 million jobs lost in 2008) they blamed the Democrats. Another 4 million lost during the first 6 months of 2009 and they blamed Obama...

                      None of the neo GOP candidates will mention the Bush years, they tell us how Ronald Reagan was God. The policies have failed and they want us to believe that if they can get back in they will get if right "this time".

                      The President nailed it and he nailed them too. The Bush war in Iraq is over take 1/2 the money to lower the deficit and the rest to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure (roads, bridges, schools).

                      To Congress get off your duffs and fund these projects...your job is to do your job...

                      • 19 votes
                      #18 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:22 AM EST
                      buckeyenut-2225921

                      "What we have today is the result of 30 years of voo doo and bad mo jo..the GOP held both houses and the Presidency from 2000 to 2006 and did nothing for the middle class"

                      So then you didn't get a tax break from the "Bush" tax cuts? You might be the only taxpayer in America that didn't. When the democrats took both the house and senate while Bush was still president, what bills did the democrats pass that helped the middle class?

                      • 1 vote
                      #18.1 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:02 AM EST
                      Wizeguy

                      Your deflection is obvious...did I get a tax break in 2001 yup about $6 a week

                      http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/12/18/2007/main3629842.shtml

                      http://www.newburyportnews.com/opinion/x1296866099/Bush-tax-cuts-favor-the-rich

                      • 17 votes
                      #18.2 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:09 AM EST
                      buckeyenut-2225921

                      Excuse me? how is this a deflection? you stated "the GOP held both houses and the Presidency from 2000 to 2006 and did nothing for the middle class"

                      I pointed out that they did do something for the middle class. How is that a deflection? I can understand the part about the Democrat controlled congress as being a deflection but I honestly want to know what they did for the middle class when they took power.

                      • 1 vote
                      #18.3 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:21 AM EST
                      Wizeguy

                      Damn you sound just like my son....he starts to yell Pelosi, Franks as soon as I say the GOP is full of crap and failed polices....

                      I made my statement based on last night you want to get into the wayback machine you go right ahead...I gave you links read them or not...but I don't have to expalin myself to you. so take your "deflection" on down the road...

                      • 16 votes
                      #18.4 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:27 AM EST
                      Happily BLUE in Ohio

                      Your deflection is obvious...did I get a tax break in 2001 yup about $6 a week

                      LOL...I'm laughing at the GNOP's concern for the middle class and their largesse. How could one overlook or minimize that $6/week?!

                      • 21 votes
                      #18.5 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:30 AM EST
                      buckeyenut-2225921

                      I see, you have no explanation therefore you cry deflection. Very well.

                      • 1 vote
                      #18.6 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:32 AM EST
                      buckeyenut-2225921

                      happy blue,

                      $6 per week? you need to find a better accountant.

                      • 1 vote
                      #18.7 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:46 AM EST
                      buckeyenut-2225921

                      Happy Blue,

                      You make less than $6000 per year? the bottom rate was dropped by about 5% from what I can find which would save you $300 per year in taxes which is slightly less than $6/week.

                      • 1 vote
                      #18.8 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:58 AM EST
                      MYOB-1251250

                      And what good are tax breaks if you have to pay double later to make up for the deficits the republicans ran up?

                      • 16 votes
                      #18.9 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:10 AM EST
                      buckeyenut-2225921

                      myob,

                      From 2000 to 2006 were there any democrats in congress? If so, did any of them vote for the legislation that helped increase our deficits? If so, the republicans AND democrats run up the deficits. Be honest.

                        #18.10 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:23 AM EST
                        Happily BLUE in Ohio

                        buckeyenut,

                        Let me explain how this works. When text is indented, in lighter color, and in italics as it appears below, it is a block quote.

                        Your deflection is obvious...did I get a tax break in 2001 yup about $6 a week

                        I quoted someone else's comment to make a point. I never said how much I got from the GNOP (actually, let's not go there because I'd say we all got screwed in many ways), but merely played off someone else's comment.

                        If you hang around a while, you'll catch on to how this NV thing works.

                        • 13 votes
                        #18.11 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:40 AM EST
                        buckeyenut-2225921

                        Happy,

                        Sorry, there was a momentary lapse between brain signal and fingers.

                        The fact that I addressed the wrong person doesn't make the reply any less accurate. The average taxpayer got more than $6 per month in tax relief which means the post I replied to was inaccurate at best and an outright lie at worst. The tax cuts for everyone benefited everyone not just a select few. As a matter of fact it could be argued that the tax cuts benefited almost half the population more than the rest and it's not the half you are thinking.

                          #18.12 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:10 AM EST
                          Happily BLUE in Ohio

                          it could be argued that the tax cuts benefited almost half the population more than the rest and it's not the half you are thinking.

                          I would then have to ask about the "relative degree" that the lower half benefitted as opposed to how much the upper half gets from GNOP policies.

                          • 6 votes
                          #18.13 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:50 PM EST
                          buckeyenut-2225921

                          Happy

                          49% paid no federal income tax due to the increased amount for the standard deduction, and increased amount for dependents, increased amounts for tax credit (EIC and CTC) increased deductions for retirement savings and many other deductions the bottom rates receive. These deductions and credits allow low and middle income earners to decrease their tax liability to zero. In many cases if you are on the lower end with children these deductions and credits allow the lower and middle income earners to receive more back through a tax refund than they paid. After the deductions and tax credits this gives some a 0% effictive tax rate.

                          At the figures from last year (depending on which figures you look at. I'm using the high figure), we had about 51% of tax filers paying federal income tax.

                          It can be argued that those paying taxes benefited the most due to a decrease in the amount paid in. I would argue that those in the lower to middle income level that are now getting back more than what was paid in got a greater benefit from the Bush tax cuts.

                            #18.14 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 2:36 PM EST
                            Randy McMurphy

                            I would argue that those in the lower to middle income level that are now getting back more than what was paid in got a greater benefit from the Bush tax cuts.

                            And I would say to that...NOBODY got tax cuts from the 80's till now...they are tax deferments, plus interest for everybody EXCEPT the very wealthy, whose tax cut benefits exceeded their per capita debt increase...tax cuts are only tax cuts when you don't incur debt to get them

                            • 6 votes
                            #18.15 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:46 PM EST
                            Alex. CA

                            Those tax deferments helped cause bush's great recession which wiped out their 401ks and the loss of millions of jobs.

                            • 4 votes
                            #18.16 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:17 PM EST
                            Reply
                            Dean Moriarty

                            Disgusting stump speech designed to divide our country for his political gain. The members of congress should have stood up turned their backs on him and walked out.

                            • 3 votes
                            Reply#19 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:40 AM EST
                            Oiled Pelican

                            Dean, BOTH parties? Don't you think that's a bit over-the-top?

                            • 5 votes
                            #19.1 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:42 AM EST
                            WaltUU

                            That's all the Republicans have left... they have to be over-the-top to make it look like they actually have something to say. If they're on-the-level, their comments would look like petty whining, in contrast to the President's leadership and vision.

                            • 17 votes
                            #19.2 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:59 AM EST
                            Randy McMurphy

                            Oh I agree , repubs should have got up and left. Democrats couldn't pay enough for that
                            illustration that they are all about one thing, hatred of the president with little else to offer.

                            • 4 votes
                            #19.3 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:51 PM EST
                            Reply
                            buckeyenut-2225921

                            "we can restore an economy where everyone gets a fair shot, everyone does their fair share, and everyone plays by the same set of rules"

                            I sure wish I'd have known I didn't get a fair shot before I went out and started my own business. Now here I am making money, paying taxes and I don't stand a chance. I guess the last 17 years have all been for nothing. I might as well close my business and wait for someone to make things fair for me.

                            I agree with many things the president said last night but this fairness bullshi. is just that, bullshi.
                            People don't want to try. People don't want to put in 60 hrs or more a week to be a success. People want to work "their 40" and go to their new car and drive to their new home with all their new gadgets. I've worked 16 hour days to get to where I am. There are not that many people willing to do that sort of thing.

                            • 1 vote
                            #20 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:45 AM EST
                            Better Careful

                            Most Americans work for large businesses. The management of those large organizations have worked in concert to maximize short-term profits at the expense of their economy, employees, and even the very organizations they are entrusted to manage. These executives have sought to corrupt our government in order to change the rules and laws, allowing them to profit more, while they mismanage their businesses. The politicians are getting a kick-back for their help.

                            I assume you're small business is too small to buy a politician.

                            I've worked for two very large corporations where management has sold out the corporation, employees, and American economy, simply to enrich themselves. These were both publicly traded corporations; the managers have no business enriching themselves at the expense of the organization. At one corporation, the stock price fell from over $65/share to less than $3/share, in around six months.

                            At the other hundreds lost their jobs when our capital equipment was sent to China and Brazil (China, primarily) to boost quarterly profits, and the executives bonuses. The quality of the goods suffered; the organization lost customers. Yet, these actions were defended by some very crazy people, who insist a business exists only to serve the interests of the owners. Try that with your business, buckeye. See what happens when you stop serving the customer.

                            Our economy has been plundered by the financial sector, and our corrupt politicians. Perhaps Obama can help slow this corruption. I doubt anybody can reverse it, save we, the people.

                            • 14 votes
                            #20.1 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:42 AM EST
                            J-3936500

                            It's nice that you have worked and had some success, but you miss the point completely. The point being that had there been a fair level playing field you would be more successful and have more money. Why is it that middle class republicans like you are so smug and happy about getting screwed?

                            • 12 votes
                            #20.2 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:45 AM EST
                            buckeyenut-2225921

                            J,

                            So define a "fair, level playing field". From where I'm coming from, I had the opportunity to start my own business. I saw a need for a product then I started buying and selling this product. I now make a good living selling that product. How is there anything unfair about this. Is it unfair that someone has more money to purchase the same things I buy to sell? If so whose fault is that?

                            What could possibly be more fair than success or failure based on the effort you put in.

                              #20.3 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:52 AM EST
                              buckeyenut-2225921

                              "At one corporation, the stock price fell from over $65/share to less than $3/share, in around six months"

                              Federal Mogul?

                                #20.4 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:54 AM EST
                                Better Careful

                                RR Donnelley. They actually quit the NYSE and moved to NASDAQ, simply to mask their decline. Last June they signed a note for $500,000,000.00 simply to keep the doors open. The same year the management tanked the company, the CEO retired, taking with him a $35,000,000 bonus and salary.

                                Here, locally, another plant was closed last week, putting another 135 out of work.

                                For what it's worth, I grew up wanting to work for RR Donnelley, since I was 7 years old. It's hurts even more having lived through this, having suffered from this sort of greed and mismanagement, having been a victim of this kind of plunder. And it continues to hurt, knowing that my friends there are still being hurt.

                                Business exists to serve the customer. It's a goddamn lie that the stockholders come first. It's a convenient goddamn lie, spread by the corrupt who come to plunder, who come to cash in, so that they might line their own pockets, to hell with everybody and everything else. I call them on that lie, and see them for who they are: parasites.

                                • 11 votes
                                #20.5 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:05 AM EST
                                buckeyenut-2225921

                                Better,

                                I had to look up what RR Donnelley did. From what I find, they provide print and print-related solutions. Is this correct?

                                  #20.6 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:11 AM EST
                                  buckeyenut-2225921

                                  Better,

                                  Didn't a decline in demand for the product cause some of the decline in RR Donnelley? I was looking at the industry and it was hit hard. It does appear Donnelley is doing better at 12.20 today.

                                    #20.7 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:37 AM EST
                                    real michaud

                                    people who vote republican, such as "small business owners" need to understand this...the the republican owe their alligance to multinational corporations and international banks....they do not care one bit about your "small business". Keep voting republican and see how long small businesses are going to stay around.

                                    • 11 votes
                                    #20.8 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:39 AM EST
                                    euterpe-1641499

                                    People don't want to try. People don't want to put in 60 hrs or more a week to be a success. People want to work "their 40" and go to their new car and drive to their new home with all their new gadgets. I've worked 16 hour days to get to where I am. There are not that many people willing to do that sort of thing.

                                    buckeyenut - That statement is neither provable, nor accurate. That just tells me you are looking in the wrong direction.

                                    Please don't blame people. If you'd have taken a wrong step in your decision-making process, you may be in less fortunate shoes yourself. It does no good to blame individuals. They aren't the ones who brought our country to the brink of collapse. What brought our country there is the unchecked and systematic abuse from banks and big business, aided by lax policies. You fail to see this big picture when you choose to narrow your scope to only focus on individuals.

                                    Please don't blame your neighbor for his misfortune. It will only make you more gullible to vote against your best interest later on.

                                    "Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people", Eleanor Roosevelt

                                    • 11 votes
                                    #20.9 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:41 AM EST
                                    buckeyenut-2225921

                                    real,

                                    "they do not care one bit about your "small business". Keep voting republican and see how long small businesses are going to stay around."

                                    Then why do I get a tax deduction provided in the "Bush" tax cuts that increased the amount of business equipment I can expense in one year? Some republican must have cared about small business to put that in there and that provision helped me and many small business owners.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #20.10 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:18 AM EST
                                    buckeyenut-2225921

                                    euterpe,

                                    "They aren't the ones who brought our country to the brink of collapse. What brought our country there is the unchecked and systematic abuse from banks and big business, aided by lax policies. You fail to see this big picture when you choose to narrow your scope to only focus on individuals."

                                    I don't think your assesment of the situation is completely accurate. The people who purchased more home than they could afford, the people who put way too much on credit without considering the what if of a slower economy, The people who used strategic default to get out from under a house that had less perceived value than what was owed, All of these people helped cause the problem.

                                    The work ethic my parents have, that I have, that many in my age group have is not the same as the work ethic today. Many want the money but many are not willing to put the work required into getting the money. I asked my first employer what I needed to do to make myself more valuable to the company and then did it and guess what, I got more money. If you want something bad enough, you do whatever necessary to get it. When I felt I had reached the ceiling for my position, I started my own business. I can't tell you how many times when training someone I heard "that's not in my job description". My reply was "your job description is to work, now do it"

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #20.11 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:25 AM EST
                                    Jack TX

                                    Then why do I get a tax deduction provided in the "Bush" tax cuts that increased the amount of business equipment I can expense in one year? Some republican must have cared about small business to put that in there and that provision helped me and many small business owners.

                                    Yeah, I've used that too. It really helps.

                                    • 3 votes
                                    #20.12 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:27 AM EST
                                    buckeyenut-2225921

                                    Jack,

                                    Damn right it does! I can now take more of the money I earned and put it back in my business in the form of more equipment (truck, computer....) This puts more money back into the economy with every purchase a small business owner can make thanks to the deduction. And yet the post I replied to tries to say they don't care about small business.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #20.13 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:40 AM EST
                                    euterpe-1641499

                                    The work ethic my parents have, that I have, that many in my age group have is not the same as the work ethic today.

                                    This simply isn't true. People work more hours today than during your parents' time. It is now the expectation to show more profit for a corporation's bottom line.

                                    The Towers Watson Talent Management and Rewards Survey, a study of 316 North American companies, including 218 from the United States, also found that nearly two-thirds of respondents expect their employees to work more hours now than they did prior to the recession and see this trend continuing for some time.

                                    http://www.towerswatson.com/united-states/press/5600

                                    Now for those who subsist with part-time jobs: they work two and three of them, without benefits.

                                    Some of these workers are patching together jobs out of choice. They may find full-time office work unfulfilling and are testing to see whether they can be their own boss. Certainly, the Internet has made working from home and trying out new businesses easier than ever.

                                    But in many cases, necessity is driving the trend. “Young college graduates working multiple jobs is a natural consequence of a bad labor market and having, on average, $20,000 worth of student loans to pay off,” said Carl E. Van Horn, director of the John J. Heldrich Center for Workforce Development at Rutgers.

                                    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/26/business/26work.html?pagewanted=all

                                    You've made assertions, even have claimed to judge people based on their work attitude, buckeyenut, but the facts don't back up your disdain. But it does separate you from your neighbor and put you in a partisan corner; when that corner is only a fabrication of your mentality. That's all I'm saying. You might get a sense of satisfaction that you are better than others; but it is only a "sense", not a reality. And in that state of mind, you're liable to accept whatever a politician feeds you, as long as it appeals to your "sense" of yourself.

                                    • 4 votes
                                    #20.14 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:40 PM EST
                                    euterpe-1641499

                                    Buckeyenut - I appreciate that you are a business owner and have your personal experiences. But they aren't stats, and can't be used in a argument.

                                    I'll share my personal experience with you, for what it's worth:

                                    My husband puts in a minimum of 70 hours a week to bring home a significant income. He is in upper management with a Fortune 500 retailer. He sees people who work for him struggle every day - working two and three jobs; begging for hours that aren't there to give them.

                                    I have the luxury of being a homemaker, but the time is quickly approaching when I'll have to go to work to help pay for our younger daughter's college. And - to try and make up the loss we've had to our retirement and savings - over $200,000. I have a MFA, but have been out of the workforce for 15 years. So, we'll see what I can get.

                                    Our eldest daughter will be starting her Masters program at Rutgers. We've paid for her education out of our savings for the past four years. We made the mistake of having her college fund in my husband's company stock - which is trading at almost half of what it was when we bought. We're sitting on it, hoping it'll come back enough to pull. She is killing herself, making the Deans list, and have been accepted into an accelerated Masters program. There's even talk of a professor willing to sponsor her for her Doctorate - she is just 21 and has six months to go on her undergrad. We're hoping Rutgers will pay for it all once they accept her as a pHd potential; and we're hoping FAFSA will see her as independent so she can get all the grants and scholarships she needs without the burden of her dad's significant income. Otherwise, she'll go on loans - we can't afford a penny more than her undergrad.

                                    So you see - not all of us are slackers. But some of us realize that everyone isn't capable of the same level of achievement as others. None of us are perfect: all of us need to do the best we can given our circumstances and acumen. Moreover, some of us want to live in a nation where we can hold up our heads as being the model nation to live in. We are willing to pay a little more in taxes to maintain that strength in the world.

                                    • 7 votes
                                    #20.15 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:57 PM EST
                                    buckeyenut-2225921

                                    euterpe,

                                    "But it does separate you from your neighbor and put you in a partisan corner"

                                    The way I feel about these younger individuals has nothing to do with partisan belief. The way I feel about the current young worker is because I've had to deal with them. I know I would never look at someone and tell them "that's not in my job description. I gave a young person a task on a job and had them look at me and tell me "you do it" then "why do I always get the shi. work while you do the easy job?" I told the person to go do my job and I'd gladly do theirs. Not 30 minutes later this same person came back asking how to do my "easy" job at which point I fired them.

                                    I have a friend who is the line manager in a manufacturing facility. He constantly tells me how difficult it is to find people who will show up on time for work AND sometimes when they do show up, they are hung over from partying the night before. I know a person who owns a manufacturing facility that has told me repeatedly of employees telling his line managers that they just are not going to do a certain task required in the plant. Mind you not because it's unsafe but rather because they don't want to.

                                    This isn't just my experience.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #20.16 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:24 PM EST
                                    Jack TX

                                    I gave a young person a task on a job and had them look at me and tell me "you do it" then "why do I always get the shi. work while you do the easy job?" I told the person to go do my job and I'd gladly do theirs. Not 30 minutes later this same person came back asking how to do my "easy" job at which point I fired them.

                                    You're nicer than I am. We have a saying in my company, that I shamelessly stole from one of my clients.

                                    The moment you say "that's not my job", it won't be.

                                    • 3 votes
                                    #20.17 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 2:07 PM EST
                                    buckeyenut-2225921

                                    Jack,

                                    Then you know what I mean. I don't know how someone who is looking at a study can argue with someone who has had to live it. There is no comparison.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #20.18 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 2:38 PM EST
                                    euterpe-1641499

                                    I have a friend who is the line manager in a manufacturing facility. He constantly tells me how difficult it is to find people who will show up on time for work AND sometimes when they do show up, they are hung over from partying the night before.

                                    Sure this happens. The world doesn't work in absolutes; only people with agendas try to paint it as if it does.

                                    A question - Did you or your friends or Jack or Jack's friends ask these so-called slobs a few questions. I mean, did you or they take the time to figure out the why? Was it partying or were they up all night with a sick kid? Maybe daycare fell through? Or another job that suddenly demanded a little more time. Or did you just label them as slobs and move on. After all, in this economy, there are plenty of slobs to go around, right? Although - if what my husband, and the first link I provided is an indicator, this is changing. You see, it seems to me that, as owners, you're saying that showing legitimate concern for your employees isn't your job.

                                    • 5 votes
                                    #20.19 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:20 PM EST
                                    euterpe-1641499

                                    I have a friend who is the line manager in a manufacturing facility. He constantly tells me how difficult it is to find people who will show up on time for work AND sometimes when they do show up, they are hung over from partying the night before.

                                    Sure this happens. The world doesn't work in absolutes; only people with agendas try to paint it as if it does.

                                    A question - Did you or your friends or Jack or Jack's friends ask these so-called slobs a few questions. I mean, did you or they take the time to figure out the why? Was it partying or were they up all night with a sick kid? Maybe daycare fell through? Or another job that suddenly demanded a little more time. Or did you just label them as slobs and move on. After all, in this economy, there are plenty of slobs to go around, right? Although - if what my husband, and the first link I provided is an indicator, this is changing. You see, it seems to me that, as owners, you're saying that showing legitimate concern for your employees isn't your job.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #20.20 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:20 PM EST
                                    euterpe-1641499

                                    Sorry about the double post - odd.

                                    Then you know what I mean. I don't know how someone who is looking at a study can argue with someone who has had to live it

                                    LOL! That isn't exactly forming an cogent argument is it? That sounds more like someone who scoured the internet to back up what he said and came up empty. Not to mention, by your own rules, my husband's experience negates yours - done!

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #20.21 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:29 PM EST
                                    buckeyenut-2225921

                                    euterpe,

                                    At the risk of sounding like Newt Gingrich, my agenda is to get the younger generation to learn to work, get them to show up on time for work AND SOBER, teach them that if you work hard and show initiative people will notice and good things will happen. I want them to learn to stop waiting to be told what to do and start looking for something that needs done. I want them to learn to leave their phones in their car because they are at WORK not play. I understand this is a radical agenda but I don't think it's asking too much. My son is 9 yrs old. When he helps me in my shop even at 9 yrs old he knows how to look for something that needs done even if it's sweeping the floor.

                                      #20.22 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:21 PM EST
                                      johny-388777

                                      Many visitors from abroad are surprised to learn that even today, the U.S. economy is by no means dominated by giant corporations. Fully 99 percent of all independent enterprises in the country employ fewer than 500 people. These small enterprises account for 52 percent of all U.S. workers, according to the U.S. Small Business Administration (SBA).

                                      Incase anyone checks on this. Please get this fact right. Not sure on the exact dates.

                                      • 2 votes
                                      #20.23 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:44 PM EST
                                      Better Careful

                                      Most folks work for organization which are not small. Here's a link to that data:

                                      http://www.census.gov/econ/smallbus.html

                                      There might be many small businesses, but large ones employ the vast majority of Americans.

                                      • 4 votes
                                      #20.24 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:55 PM EST
                                      blaze1024

                                      I have a friend who is the line manager in a manufacturing facility. He constantly tells me how difficult it is to find people who will show up on time for work AND sometimes when they do show up, they are hung over from partying the night before.

                                      I've been in the restaurant business for quite sometime, I started out as a busboy and now I own a small chain of restaurants. It's been my experience as an employer that vast majority of today's young people already know how to work and when fairly treated display exceptional work ethic.

                                      Hell most young kids nowadays need to work 2 or 3 jobs just to pay the rent so I think it's fair to say they have a decent work ethic, After all I think anyone would agree that it takes exceptional work ethic to hold down 3 jobs.

                                      The real problem isn't employee work ethics, it's the proliferation of excessive greed and exploitation which is directly attributable to a complete lack of employer and business ethic's. Speaking of poor ethics I think you're confusing employees who are dead tired from working 3 jobs with someone who might be drunk..

                                      What's pissing off the right is that the younger generation has wised up to what the right means when they say "Work Ethic" When the right says "work ethic" what they really mean is passively accepting exploitation.

                                      George Carlin said it best..

                                      You know what they want? Obedient workers ­ people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork but just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly @!$%#tier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it.

                                      And for anyone who wants a stroll down memory lane here's the entire monologue

                                      The real owners are the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians, they're an irrelevancy.

                                      The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They've long since bought and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the statehouses, the city halls. They've got the judges in their back pockets. And they own all the big media companies, so that they control just about all of the news and information you hear. They've got you by the balls.

                                      They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, ­ lobbying to get what they want...!!! Well, we know what they want; they want more for themselves and less for everybody else.

                                      But I'll tell you what they don't want. They don't want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don't want well-informed, well-educated people capable of critical thinking. They're not interested in that. That doesn't help them. That's against their interests.

                                      They don't want people who are smart enough to sit around the kitchen table and figure out how badly they're getting @!$%#ed by a system that threw them overboard 30 @!$%#ing years ago.
                                      You know what they want? Obedient workers ­ people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork but just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly @!$%#tier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it.

                                      And, now, they're coming for your Social Security. They want your @!$%#ing retirement money. They want it back, so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street. And you know something? They'll get it. They'll get it all, sooner or later, because they own this @!$%#ing place. It's a big club, and you ain't in it. You and I are not in the big club."

                                      • 4 votes
                                      #20.25 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:07 AM EST
                                      euterpe-1641499

                                      buckeyenut - at the risk of sounding elitist; you may be noticing an anomaly that exists in your locale/employment base. I've noticed you have yet to provide proof of these allegations. I really can't continue to debate an issue that is singular only to you - and a few others with your perspective. The facts simply don't bear out what you say.

                                      • 6 votes
                                      #20.26 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:09 AM EST
                                      Happily BLUE in Ohio

                                      As is often said in research, a personal case of one example does not suffice to make the point.

                                      • 6 votes
                                      #20.27 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:22 AM EST
                                      euterpe-1641499

                                      Definitely true, BLUE. I could've added in post #20.26 that my now 21 year old started working when she was 14 to save money for college. She has been working ever since... When she got the internship with the laboratory, she continued to work at the retail job she had for another year. Now those splitting cells keep her busy, and she's gotten a raise - what with her getting accepted in the 4+1 program... she cut back. LOL! And she never HAD to work - she wanted to.

                                      I could've also added in my post that my youngest dances every day after school for a minimum of 4 hours. She's 14 and has been a competitive dancer since age 8. And she manages to make at least Honor Roll every marking period. She's in the admission process to try for the performing arts high school.

                                      But my personal stories are just that; irrelevant. What is relevant is the fact that a Newt would take away my children's time to define their own achievements and make them sweep floors instead. Well, maybe not MY kids, but why the hell do your parents need a six figure income for you to strive for your dreams? My father retired without one and I still got my shot at an MFA - creative writing. I did my share; I worked for it - and cherish it and everything that it has made me see.

                                      • 5 votes
                                      #20.28 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:37 AM EST
                                      Happily BLUE in Ohio

                                      And you hit the jackpot with one telling question, euterpe:

                                      why the hell do your parents need a six figure income for you to strive for your dreams?

                                      Because the rethuglicons want to make sure only their kind--the right kind--achieve their dreams and make it in American society. I think that accounts for the gross resentment toward Obama. An (African-American) kid from a humble background achieved so much.... They call it "elitist"--code for "uppity"--which is also racist.

                                      • 7 votes
                                      #20.29 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:58 AM EST
                                      euterpe-1641499

                                      I think that accounts for the gross resentment toward Obama. An (African-American) kid from a humble background achieved so much.... They call it "elitist"--code for "uppity"--which is also racist.

                                      I totally agree. Obama is the walking talking American Dream; and some people thought that Dream was meant only for them. They can't stand to see the product of the brave new world we've created out of laws that make us all equal.

                                      But most of all BLUE - they know now that theirs is a dying world. And they fear the loss of importance of just "being" them. So instead of accepting a broader perspective of what their society represents, they make enemies where there aren't any, in an attempt to squelch future Obamas.

                                      • 9 votes
                                      #20.30 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:47 AM EST
                                      drummerboy2011

                                      Obama is the walking talking American Dream

                                      BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

                                      Obama is a walking talking, LYING anti-American NIGHTMARE.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #20.31 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:50 AM EST
                                      Alex. CA

                                      bush was the nightmare.

                                      • 6 votes
                                      #20.32 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:26 AM EST
                                      euterpe-1641499

                                      Alex - I've had drummerboy on ignore for a while now. It makes for a more palatable vine experience.

                                      • 10 votes
                                      #20.33 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:24 PM EST
                                      MJL-3

                                      euterpe

                                      I think I will add him too.

                                      • 8 votes
                                      #20.34 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:54 PM EST
                                      Maggie-602935

                                      #20.33 Agree

                                      • 8 votes
                                      #20.35 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:43 PM EST
                                      Happily BLUE in Ohio

                                      And another one hits ignore for drummerboy.

                                      • 6 votes
                                      #20.36 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:21 PM EST
                                      Alex. CA

                                      I still enjoy arguing with them.

                                      • 4 votes
                                      #20.37 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:54 PM EST
                                      euterpe-1641499

                                      I still enjoy arguing with them.

                                      We'll cheer you on then, Alex!

                                      • 7 votes
                                      #20.38 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:53 PM EST
                                      johny-388777

                                      I have a friend who is the line manager in a manufacturing facility. He constantly tells me how difficult it is to find people who will show up on time for work AND sometimes when they do show up, they are hung over from partying the night before. I know a person who owns a manufacturing facility that has told me repeatedly of employees telling his line managers that they just are not going to do a certain task required in the plant. Mind you not because it's unsafe but rather because they don't want to.

                                      This isn't just my experience.

                                      I have a Friend who is a fool too.

                                      Yea 55 million people are all party animals and have cash to spend on booze? The poor deserve to be poor and the rich need to be subsided and helped to stay rich.

                                      A dream come true for the rich folk who steal and make a living on the backs of good hard working americans.

                                      • 7 votes
                                      #20.39 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:43 PM EST
                                      Andy Ritch

                                      JOHNY,

                                      I confused. I thought making a profit in this country was OK. If none of these people are breaking any laws, how can they be called criminals? The day we stop trying to make a profit because the country is against us for doing so, the U. S. A. will at last be history even with all the rhetoric to the contrary. In fact, some of the information on this blog seems to be counting on the collapse of many of the principles upon which this country was built. And, for the record, a tip in a restaurant is a bonus. Not all bonuses are negative.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #20.40 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:18 PM EST
                                      johny-388777

                                      Hmm

                                      Andy Ritch

                                      JOHNY,

                                      I confused. I thought making a profit in this country was OK. If none of these people are breaking any laws, how can they be called criminals?

                                      Criminals they are. Why? how do I know? The problem is we have a two tier system of justice. IF you steal billions, from the poor or average jo. You might go to jail. If you steal millions from the rich, you go to jail.

                                      You need proof? We have Maddoff go to jail. When the banksters and corporate elites did the same thing . We get serial abusers who bribe there way out of jail and settle out of court consistently. All the major 10 top banks had people in them who did fraud and theft and Government settled out of court each time for a few million. The problem is that the individuals are still free and celebrate this theft and fraud.

                                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA_MkJB84VA.

                                      The whole world knows we have crony capitalism. These banks and financial institutions are really just fronts for organised crime. Who is left with the fine? Individuals do the crime, though the corporations pay the fine? Why?

                                      Its is because the huge amounts of cash the executives earn is then used to futher more criminality.

                                      THere are literally millions of links on the problem. You steal from millions. You are rewarded. If you steal from a few you go to jail.

                                      Then lets look at how they got rich? It is always dubious. It is always wrong. It is alway someone elses money and someone elses hard work.

                                      You can argue that Steve Jobs founded apple and deserved whatever he wanted. That is totally above board. It started. Then we get the new apple chief to receive 376 million in stock. He will sell that before any down turn. He has inside information because he can see the sales. Is that person worth that cash? Who here would award that cash to him? Its plain to see its theft.

                                      Any reasonable person can see that this is plain and simple theft. This has been going on and on. Then these people talk about how they got rich. Was it from hard work?

                                      http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/10/technology/apples-chief-receives-stock-worth-376-million.html?_r=1&ref=executivepay

                                      How do they do it? Lets look at it. I am pretty sure they have broken laws here. It could set create a precedence but these huge pay outs happen before. So far the stockholders have not gone to court to challenge it. Why? Because of the executives literally vote executives and break the fiduciary responsibility. This means the system is broken. Its not going to court because the execs don't want it. That is why your 401k is sh+t pile.

                                      The problem is well known it goes back to earily 1970s and maybe it was discussed even before that. The problem in the stockmarket ( share market) is that it is dominated by institutions like pension funds and other kinds of funds. Who run the funds? These are executives. Now to see what happened. We have 401ks worth 2.6 Trillion that were worth 5.2 Trillion in 2008. A large portion is in stock ( shares) and other in property.

                                      These fund mangers ( executives) vote in the boards that put in the big cash for these S.O.Bs. How can you argue that executives voting on executive pay is not going to give you this outcome of the huge lumps of cash?

                                      How can you argue that its the same as penny in a tip?

                                      Now if you want to see how bad it is and how many of the 200k milionaire got rich.

                                      Read about " War is a racket". There is more. I can't seem to find anyone who is rich who did not fu+k someone else over.

                                      • 2 votes
                                      #20.41 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 7:10 PM EST
                                      johny-388777

                                      There is more . I can go on for days. Sadly.

                                      I know about defense contracting and I do know that best people are not always working on these projects. Its a hit and miss to work out why they fail.

                                      Do you remember the osprey and auto matic self loading cannon for the pentagon? SOme other things? Why do think they failed?

                                      When you pay the executives millions. It means that there is less money to hire people to do the job. That is what happens and we get failures.

                                      I know specifically that if they had more people working on the Chevy volt rather then paying one bozofest party on the top of GM. We would make definatley more progress.

                                      Everything is man power and man hours and brain power. That is why the chinese , germans have an advantage.

                                      We are ranked just above indonesia for standard of living. The US median wage has been stagnant for 30 years. We the sneaky lie of the US household income to hide the fact how bad it really is, because before we had one income and now we have two and it is still less then inflation.

                                      Yet the top 1% have grown faster then the rest? How do you explain it? I will tell you. Its out right theft and cronyism and deception ( fraud). They sell this sh+t to the American people.

                                      • 6 votes
                                      #20.42 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 7:30 PM EST
                                      Alex. CA

                                      It looks like the voters will be working on changing things in November.

                                      • 5 votes
                                      #20.43 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 7:55 PM EST
                                      Andy RitchExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                      Johny

                                      I am not sure who you are after. I am talking about breaking laws. If you have a problem with the law, vote to change it. Do not complain if the current system does not meet with your particular specifications. It sounds like you need counseling.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #20.44 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 8:42 PM EST
                                      Alex. CA

                                      Reported.

                                      • 3 votes
                                      #20.45 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 9:56 PM EST
                                      drummerboy2011

                                      Reported as well.

                                      • 3 votes
                                      #20.46 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 9:59 PM EST
                                      YELLOW DOG D.

                                      Can I grenade report?

                                      • 4 votes
                                      #20.47 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:24 PM EST
                                      ngp256

                                      lying nightmare? yeah there's a fleet of those lined up for the gop contenders. There's also a whole crop of them dominating the house, and obstructing any progress with the rebuilding, and recovering of the country.

                                      • 6 votes
                                      #20.48 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:39 PM EST
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                                      FeliciaGilmoreDeleted
                                      KitKat51

                                      The President took 'em to the woodshed last night!

                                      BRAVO, Mr. President. BRAVO!

                                      • 17 votes
                                      Reply#22 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:17 AM EST
                                      buckeyenut-2225921

                                      I hope while they investigate the financial collapse, they investigate people who used strategic default to get out from under their obligations.

                                      • 4 votes
                                      Reply#23 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:30 AM EST
                                      Caryl S. Foster

                                      Republicans are left grasping for straws while quickly running out of straws to grasp. Republicans are on the wrong side of the best future for America. And Americans are waking up to this reality. President Obama will win re-election and the only question is whether or not Republicans will lose the House majority and lose the ability to fillibuster in the Senate.

                                      I say yes to both, they will lose come November 2012.

                                      • 16 votes
                                      Reply#24 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:33 AM EST
                                      Happily BLUE in Ohio

                                      Republicans are on the wrong side of the best future for America. And Americans are waking up to this reality.

                                      You are so correct on that comment!

                                      • 15 votes
                                      #24.1 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:38 AM EST
                                      johny-388777

                                      Obama 2012. Yehawwww. Nice state of the union speach.

                                      I just watched 3x. ha ha.

                                      • 5 votes
                                      #24.2 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:39 AM EST
                                      johny-388777

                                      Though I do find something funny in the speech?

                                      I keep picking at things all the time. ha ha.

                                      He wants to give the firms a tax break if they build here . The problem is?

                                      http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/03/us-usa-tax-corporate-idUSTRE7A261C20111103

                                      If we are going to get our nation's fiscal house in order, increasing corporate income taxes should play an important role."

                                      Their report also listed General Electric Co, Paccar Inc, PG&E Corp, Computer Sciences Corp, Boeing Co and NiSource Inc as among the 30 that paid no taxes

                                      • 3 votes
                                      #24.3 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 5:15 AM EST
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                                      Ron Francisvia FacebookDeleted
                                      MN blu collar worker

                                      exact same speech as his inaugural address. hope he has better luck in the next ten months

                                      • 1 vote
                                      Reply#26 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:54 AM EST
                                      buckeyenut-2225921

                                      Come on, I'm not a big fan of the President but it was not the exact same as his inaugural address.

                                      • 13 votes
                                      #26.1 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:13 AM EST
                                      johny-388777

                                      We’ll also establish a Financial Crimes Unit of highly trained investigators to crack down on large-scale fraud and protect people’s investments. Some financial firms violate major anti-fraud laws because there’s no real penalty for being a repeat offender. That’s bad for consumers, and it’s bad for the vast majority of bankers and financial service professionals who do the right thing. So pass legislation that makes the penalties for fraud count.

                                      And tonight, I’m asking my Attorney General to create a special unit of federal prosecutors and leading state attorney general to expand our investigations into the abusive lending and packaging of risky mortgages that led to the housing crisis. (Applause.) This new unit will hold accountable those who broke the law, speed assistance to homeowners, and help turn the page on an era of recklessness that hurt so many Americans.

                                      WTF, Its not same ole same ole. This guys is on top of the issues. Obama is on top of the issues. How will he act?

                                      • 4 votes
                                      #26.2 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:41 AM EST
                                      johny-388777

                                      The MERs effects 62 million mortgages.

                                      Its the big gorilla in the mess. With all the serial abuses of the law, the bankster familes and corporate elites have a problem. Finally this time this can change the course of our economy.

                                      They want to settle for 25 billion for no convictions. They hide behind the corporations and the criminals are holding the bag this time.

                                      I am willing to settle out of court. The stakes have to be big.

                                      If Obama settles we need all mortgages to held by the banks to be dropped by 30% ( work it out) and then also the interest rate on the principle to be locked in 2 basis points above the FED rate.

                                      Right now millions of people are paying 12% and the fed is zero. Its crazy.

                                      Obama could get a settlement like this. The criminals can go. I don't care. They will do some criminality again because they are stupid. Then they can get caught again.

                                      With this revaluation of the mortgages, that will put money into peoples hands and then we can get spending and economy starts to add jobs.

                                      This is a huge opportunity. Can the people up the top see it?

                                      http://gozounlimited.newsvine.com/_news/2012/01/26/10242087-more-caution-and-skepticism-about-federal-mortgage-investigation

                                      • 3 votes
                                      #26.3 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 7:47 PM EST
                                      Reply
                                      OurGovSucksExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                      All the obama lovers legs got all tingly again.

                                      • 2 votes
                                      Reply#27 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:08 AM EST
                                      Thinknaboutit

                                      As the Obama haters had their legs kicked out from under them.

                                      • 13 votes
                                      #27.1 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:24 AM EST
                                      Jim420

                                      can't we leave Michelle Obama out of the conversation, but I bet the girls lets got tingley too,

                                      so, do you wonder if Bo the dog slept thru the speech?? lol

                                      OBAMA 2012!!

                                      • 7 votes
                                      #27.2 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:18 AM EST
                                      OurGovSucks

                                      At least we dont get weird freeky feelings about politicians (or ones that mimic politicians).

                                        #27.3 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:44 PM EST
                                        drummerboy2011

                                        The blind, almost worshipful adoration displayed for this guy is nauseating at best.

                                        • 4 votes
                                        #27.4 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:27 PM EST
                                        Happily BLUE in Ohio

                                        The blind, almost worshipful adoration displayed for this guy is nauseating at best.

                                        Yeah, I said the same thing about and to supporters of Bushie Boy. Imagine!

                                        • 13 votes
                                        #27.5 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 2:48 PM EST
                                        jmorris

                                        drummerboy2011

                                        The blind, almost worshipful adoration displayed for this guy is nauseating at best.

                                        I get the same feelings toward those who display unreasoning hatred toward that guy.

                                        • 16 votes
                                        #27.6 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 2:54 PM EST
                                        johny-388777

                                        I do notice no one seems to say Newt 2012? Why is that?

                                        • 2 votes
                                        #27.7 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 7:33 PM EST
                                        drummerboy2011

                                        I get the same feelings toward those who display unreasoning hatred toward that guy.

                                        I don't hate Obama. I just think he's a @!$%#ty-assed president with only his own agenda at heart, an elitist who doesn't give a @!$%# about the Constitution, The American people or anything else except himself.


                                        • 1 vote
                                        #27.8 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 9:24 PM EST
                                        ngp256

                                        well drummer, you just described newt, mitt, frothy mix, and the thank god long gone crazy eyes bachmann. Not to mention the entire obstructionist gop congress.

                                        • 4 votes
                                        #27.9 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:43 PM EST
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