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Article Source: Think ProgressSen. Jon Kyl (R-AZ) argued, "I don't need maternity care, and so requiring that to be in my insurance policy is something that I don't need and will make the policy more expensive."
Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-MI) interjected into Kyl's remarks to remind him, "I think your mom probably did."
Just 21 states require insurers to provide maternity care benefits.
Stabenow is my new favorite Senator.
#1 - Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:38 PM EDTThe stupid, it burns.
I'm one of those pesky pregnant woman that is covered for maternity benefits. I'm already a Kenyan since my birth certificate says "Certificate of Live Birth", I guess next I will be the cause of the health care crisis.
What a moron.
Jon Kyle seems to be one of the front men tag teaming president Obama's efforts to reform healthcare. He's almost invisible in his home state, and you have to wonder what the hell it is he's doing in Washington anyway, besides running down the president and his policies.
Using Kyle's logic, you could eliminate many things we pay for to maintain society, and save billions a year.
In fact, I think we should eliminate Kyle's job. He doesn't seem to do anything of benefit anyway.
I hope the women of Arizona were paying attention today and noting the fact that their Senator does not want them to have basic maternity healthcare. And their husband, fathers, sons and brothers should take note of that fact as well.
You are correct redsfan,
Like always, the conservatives are taking women for granted. Kyle's narcissistic comment only underscores the Conservatives backward thinking.
It helped put Barak Obama in the white house.
go Kyle.....
The GOP's adolescent notion of freedom amazes me. They have not yet reached the adult realization of what has made their 'freedom' possible.
#2 - Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:10 PM EDTAmen. Everyone goes through an Ayn Rand phase. Most of us grow out of it.
That's why I don't listen to the band Rush anymore
I don't listen to them any more because they're old, Canadian and they've always looked a little weird to me, you know what I mean?
Rush finally outgrew their Ayn Rand phase as well. At least they don't use her as a source of lyrical inspiration anymore.
Aww come on Tyler, who listens to Rush for the lyrics? I've never read Ayn Rand myself, but the audience seems to be all 18 - 20 year olds.
Is this the individualism that conservatives promote?
Jindal's comment on volcano monitoring is another example. If it doesn't affect ME why should I care. Millions have lost their health care in the last 7years but I still have mine so why should I care.
Given, most politicians are ego-manics but it seems the republicans are re-branding themselves as narcissist.
#3 - Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:21 PM EDTTheir inability to even recognize their selfish attitudes is truly amazing. I mean, what kind of man publicly says that he doesn't support maternity care? He either truly hates women or is so caught up in fighting against healthcare reform he is not even listening to himself anymore.
He didn't say he did support maternity care, he said why should he have to pay for it in a policy when he'll never need it. Why is it a bad thing to let people pick what they want to cover? It's like asking a blind person to pay for vision insurance so it will be cheaper for everyone else.
SCT, you have missed the point.
How about a quick quiz? Where you born of woman?
......and women can buy the insurance if she wants it.
How about you now, every know a man who gave birth to a child? So why should he have maternaty insurance, unless he's insuring his wife?
Then you advocate every person in the U.S. having personalized insurance policies? Maybe we pick things off a menu we want to be insured for? So if I don't pick a rare disease like multiple myeloma, but then I get it...I should just die? This is just ridiculous!
"...ever know a man who gave birth to a child?"
Yes, they are called "Daddies"...
OMG! I can't believe he had the gall to say maternity care didn't affect him. What a poor excuse for a human being. Prostate care doesn't affect me. I don't want to pay for it.
#4 - Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:43 PM EDTWe could all come up with a list of healthcare that doesn't affect us directly...such as your "prostate" example. The fact that Kyl thought that was a reasonable argument in an official session just points out his ignorance or his total lack of care for his fellow human beings.
Did Kyl's wife, daughter and daughter-in-law not have maternity coverage when they each gave birth? Did those children not affect him in any way? What a fool that man is.
According to his 'logic' any gender specific care should not be covered.
I suspect the Kyle's wife and daughters ( if any ) would not need insurance - although they surely have the best in the land - due to Kyle's wealth amassed as an elected member of the United States Senate. He probably could have just written a check to cover any hospital costs that applied, but in reality, would have recieved free care anywhere in the nation.
And then he has the bollocks to publicly ask why maternity leave is needed?
How far out of touch is this guy???
His point is we should be able to CHOOSE what we cover. Also, why should a woman unable to or past child bearing years pay for maternity insurance?
ooooooooh! she's talking about your maaaaamaaaa! ooooooh!
Stabenow should have been given special permission to smack Kyl on the back of the head for emphasis when she delivered that line.
#5 - Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:00 PM EDTI am beginning to wonder if the Republicans are the party of no or just the party of duh...
#6 - Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:05 PM EDTBut that isn't the only policy that health insurers have that primarily discriminate against women. First of all, most individual health insurance markets don't cover maternity care. In fact, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation, only 14 states have a requirement for such coverage, and the number of plans without maternity coverage continues to rise dramatically. Why? Anthem Blue Cross — which has been actively fighting health care reform — considers pregnancy optional and therefore not necessary to insure.
Women, isn't it about time we start a class action lawsuit to get the rights we deserve? Health insurance companies won't cover pregnancy because it's our "Choice" to become pregnant.....Personhoodflorida wants to make birth control illegal.....Anti-choicers want to make abortion illegal.....WTF, is going on?
#7 - Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:31 PM EDTLo those many years ago, when I had youth and health, the only major medical concern me and my lovely bride had was birth control and maternity. We were both "covered" by health insurance policies through our employers but there was no coverage for either. Now as I ease into the sunset, I can get a pill for an erection and a pill to help another pill for depression.
I think the class action law suit is a pretty decent idea. Peace.
Women, isn't it about time we start a class action lawsuit to get the rights we deserve? Health insurance companies won't cover pregnancy because it's our "Choice" to become pregnant.....Personhoodflorida wants to make birth control illegal.....Anti-choicers want to make abortion illegal.....WTF, is going on?
Agreed kj...one reason I wanted to seed this small article was to point out that it has become so common and casual to dismiss womens' healthcare needs, that this was said in a public legislative forum...with no shame.....by a U.S. Senator. They used to at least pretend to care about womens' health....but he let his real feelings show I guess.
We also need more female legislators like Stabenow to call "foul" on things like this. I know there are a lot of men who support womens' rights, but usually only women have the instinctive gut knowledge and reaction to respond the way Stabenow did.
Stabenow Replies To Kyl: "But Your Mother Did"
Ssssnnnnaaaapppp!
Kyl is such a complete and total dickhead it's a wonder anyone could ever bring themselves to vote for that moron.
#8 - Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:34 PM EDTAll you need in AZ. to get elected is to be a W.A.S.P., Republican, and then you have the blessing of the Arizona Republic. They will take care of things after that. Look at McCain, Kyle, Jeff Flake, and the other members of the AZ. G.O.P. delegation.
All others have to earn it. The state of AZ. used to be solidly Democratic prior to the 60's, but with the advent of big business moving south and west, it became second to the moneyed interests. Old fashioned Republicans like Goldwater, Alan Simpson of Wyoming, and others long gone are probably rolling in their graves wondering just what the hell happened to their party.
The way that I read the statement - Kyl is not saying that either his mother or any other women do not need maternity care. He is saying that he, as a male, does not need maternity care.
He is saying, in my opinion, that heath care should be written as individual policies - not one blanket coverage policy.
#10 - Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:43 PM EDTAnd the attempt to explain away absolutely ridiculous statements by pubby leaders continues.
Ricki--I think you are correct in stating individual policies -- however, the cost of such is overwhelming to say the least. So to make them cost effective and to cover more people they must co-mingle policies for everyone. Policies that cover maternity care and erectile dysfunction. God lord -- are we going down that road now?!
This is the crazy talk that the REPs use to try to stall everything. They spew hateful remarks while stating the cost is too much -- yet demand their own individual packages as if they were entitled.
Lets get on with REFORM and Health Insurance for Everyone. Believe you me -- the last person I will worry about health care for is ANY politician. Stabenow has always had my vote! But she has great health care. All she wants is the rest of us to enjoy the same!!
...uhm, men have children. They are part of the family too. Some might even say integral to a family unit.
I can see the trend in family values..."while looking for a mate, be sure to find a woman who has "maternity care" covered in her insurance or you may never be able to afford to have children."
He is saying that he, as a male, does not need maternity care.
No, what he is saying is that over 1/2 of the US population, for a good 30 years or more, isn't entitled to coverage because he doesn't need it.....
If being a selfish ass were a clinical condition, Sen. Kyl would definitely need full coverage.
His patron - The Arizona Republic Newspaper ( Gannett Corp. ) has got him covered.
"Never argue with a man who buys ink by the barrel". ( Author...?? )
Ricki, thank God I'm not the only one who can read. This is another case of pushing the cost off on someone else. For those who can't count, there are more people who can't have children than those who can.
I see this a lot like the Buffett tax quote; if you want to pay more, go ahead, no one's stopping you.
reds, or maybe the cost will come down because the dollars available will be less. And what if we added a required price list. Then you could choose a doctor that you like and can afford. Many say the problem with insurance today is that we do not know what we are paying. If we could get grocery insurance like our medical insurance, we'd all eat steak at every meal while paying for hamburger.
The Blue Pooch Stupak from Michigan, is a C Streeter and a rabid Anti-abortion and Anti-birth control advocate.
This guy could blow-up health care reform big time.
#12 - Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:22 PM EDTLet me see if I've got this clear.....
#1 - A C-section if considered a pre-existing condition, so the insurance company won't cover getting your baby out.
#2 - Since pregnancy is considered optional, the insurance company wont cover pre-natal .
#3 - Since birth control doesn't cure a medical problem, the insurance company won't cover it.
#4 - Your husband beats you because you won't have sex (remember no birth control), the insurance company won't cover it.
#5 - When will they just come out and say being female is a pre-existing condition and they won't cover anything, hell they may just ban us all together.
I think that covers most of it.
#13 - Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:25 PM EDTPlease dont insult Ayn Rand by compairing her to the current crop of Republican clowns we hear in the news. With the exception of Ron Paul many Republicans are just squawking it out just to get votes.
#14 - Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:32 PM EDTviagra doesn't apply to me and I sure don't want that covered in my insurance policy, those little blue hard-on pills cost over $14 each!
#15 - Fri Sep 25, 2009 5:56 PM EDTThe price of two boners - $28.00
The price of one month of birthcontrol pills - $30.00
Having insurance that will cover the one you need - $priceless
Here is a link for Rep. Kyle.
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